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2nd part of Ben’s reply
You said,
“It will not be a magic touch when all will be changed. This would be an action against free will. People will continue to sin in the new world but they will be going through continuous exercise. I think sin is something immaterial , uncreated and eternal as love is. It is not born and it can not die. It was not created by Satan. Satan is said to be the first to sin.”
> I see that you are specifically mentioning this in the context of the millennium. Well, let me just say this, your view can’t possibly be correct because the Bible says that there will be initial peace and a state of perfection at the start of the millennium. This is because all who go into the millennium from the tribulation will be people saved during the tribulation. When these people enter the millennium, they will be without sin. There sin is completely washed by the blood of Christ.
> They are in a state of perfection. This is why there is peace in the millennium. It isn’t until new generations come in that sin enters again. So you have it backwards. The millennium is people who start with sin and go through a process of getting rid of sin, instead, these start with no sin and their children and childrens children revive sin. If you need me to provide all of the scriptural backing, let me know.
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Response:
Their sins are forgiven (great crowd), that is what the blood’s value gives them by faith, for “they wash their robes” in that blood by faith, repentance and striving to be obedient, but they are later spoken of in the same Rev7 account as needing MORE shepherding to “waters of life” which means true sinlessness for “waters of death” from Satan are due to sin, so these are guided, by “Wonderful Counselor”, from the Christ, to the true means of sinlessness:
(Revelation 7:9-17) . . .After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues… “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat,
[The shepherding must continue:]
17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”
That “tent” is mentioned also with deathlessness as the outcome in humanity ofn earth:
(Revelation 21:1-4) . . .And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say:
“Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples.
And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
So God being with them was the same as in Eden before the curse of death and disconnection from God’s sovereign rule by disobedience to his commandment::
(Genesis 3:8) 8 Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden. . .
But this “waters of life” is connected to the “river of the the waters of life” a symbol of taking in spiritual guidance to remove the curse that temporarily suspended the blessing of life at Genesis 1:27-28:
(Revelation 22:1-3) . . .And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side [there were] trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations. 3 And no more will there be any curse.. . .
These curses will have been removed by removal of the cursed:
(Genesis 3:14) . . .Jehovah God proceeded to say to the serpent: “Because you have done this thing, you are the cursed one. . .
(Genesis 3:17) . . .And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. . . .
Christ absorbed that curse as pictured by the Law as well, a condemnation upon mankind who could not keep the law, Jesus kept the law, cursed by men, but approved the blessing by God:
(Galatians 3:13-14) . . .Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.” 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham might come to be by means of Jesus Christ for the nations. . .
And this is the blessing promised through Abraham’s obedience and God’s oath to him:
(Genesis 12:3) . . .all the families of the ground will certainly bless themselves by means of you.”
(Genesis 22:17-18) . . .I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. 18 And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.’”
And that “seed” was primarily Jesus Christ, but also became the 144000 as his blood brothers and heavenly heirs:
(Genesis 3:15) . . .And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.”
And that crushing of the Satanic serpent seed in heavens and earth, is related to his ability to cause death and the sharing in the blood and body of Jesus Christ that the Destroyer Jesus has the ability to execute Satan fully legally fulfilling Satan’s cursed condition to completion, and the removal of his “seed” evil, which from spirit realms also had offspring by disobedience in earth, and their sin was death, the curse also removed:
(Hebrews 2:14-16) 14 Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.
Affirming also that in assistance to the “seed”, Jesus performs this execution to remove Satan and death to assist all the righteous seed:
(1 Corinthians 10:16-17) . . .The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a sharing in the blood of the Christ? The loaf which we break, is it not a sharing in the body of the Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, although many, are one body, for we are all partaking of that one loaf.
That “blessing” will bring about the destruction of the “last enemy”:
(1 Corinthians 15:25-27) . . .For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.”. . .
This unchangeable blessing is restored in everlasting life to humans, just as it was lost to humans by Adam and sin, so by Last Adam the “life giving spirit” it is restored bypassing Adam the dead:
(Genesis 1:27-28) . . .And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”
Jesus Christ as a man provides that perfect replacement “new man” Last Adam for the earthlings:
(1 Corinthians 15:45) . . .It is even so written: “The first man Adam became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
(1 Corinthians 15:22) . . .For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.
That “all” includes the main issue of sin and death in Genesis 3, and Revelation 21-22 tie back to Eden Gen1:27-28 removal of the death curse, and restoration of God’s sovereign rule over earth, as in heaven, when Christ hands the Kingdom back to God over obedient mankind now “God is all things to everyone”, God’s will as in heaven first, completed and done also on earth, Christ’s prayer full answered, and Ps2:8 fulfilled where “Ask of me (Jehovah), that i may give nations as your inheritance, and the ends of the earth as your own inheritance.”
(Psalm 2:7-8) . . .Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father. 8 Ask of me, that I may give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your own possession.
That “decree” cannot be reversed, but will be fulfilled in Jesus Christ as written.
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