Daniel 2 – Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream Image of the World Powers hit by the Stone of God’s Kingdom
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> Hello. I just scanned Revelation and Daniel books from my ancient greek bible.
> The older language and the smell of old paper along with the fascinating stuff
> these books contain, create a unique atmosphere. They really take you away to
> ancient Babylon or to the island of Patmos.
Well that is very mind blowing really, because you have that gift of being one step from the actual Hebrew, and in the base language of the Christian Greek writings. I have often wondered what it would be like to speak Hebrew or Greek, and see the actual ideas expressed in the language it was originally expressed in. It must add something to it. Yet I believe in any language, God has perfect communication for the most important messages he is delivering to the believers, since the Mosaic writings, to the apostles day, to today. We get a communication across many nations and tribes and tongues of the reality that love is the law, and human systems as these big beasts are simply our of harmony with this reality, and this reality is what will soon be real, irremovable, reality for real. That this phase of the human ages, is not the finality, it is the interim process to test out Satan’s logic, and Jehovah’s, and really see who the real God Almighty is.
Must be fascinating to see the controversy and writings in those more ancient roots, since it is all real, and that is part of the communications from God. Hard to explain sometimes, when one gets that feeling of the reality of it all, a tingle like hairs standing up at times, and it must climax, the issue must be slammed home into the human camp. That big stone from the heaven mountain not cut by hands! LOL.
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> I read Daniel 2nd chapter. 1st question. What does the metals of gold, silver,
> bronze and iron, mean to you? I know they represent world powers. But why(for
> example) gold is used to represent Babylon? Why silver for Medo-Persian and so
> on? Do you see any reason? I dont think Babylon is the most worthy. Lol.
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> Amazing dream.
Everything in the bible is meant to be understood by humans in general, it is a communication to man.
So the image shown to King Neb, is a perfect representation of something in it’s make-up and structure. The gold, silver, etc, are well known symbologies to humans. They also decrease in density from gold to iron, but the overall strength increases to the iron based metals. What I mean is, since this is a divine picture of a divine and human truth according to our knowledge now, this will apply like a fractal of Mandelbrot, there will be many patterns of truth that these teach by.
First off the Gold was the King firstly, good gold, and that Kingdom of Babylon. Al-gebra and other mathematics, astronomy, and architecture, such as also in Egypt, were culminated in purity, even today the remnants of the Roman system, fragmented even in the feet, the iron, is not capable of doing the supernatural things these ancients taught their powers in men. As we have spoken before of some of the phenomenal feats of architecture alone, of engineering still unfathomable, moving and placing precise structures, in tons of rock, upon themselves, even standing up 90 ton obelisks, is not well understood today.
So I think the gold, was a picture of those ancient super-truths which Kingdoms in this era were known for, like the Egyptians and Babylonians. Plus in spite of Nebs revolts, forgetting the kind things God did for him by Daniel, God specifically chose Nebuchadnezzar as a global picture of many divine truths which would become more apparent as time went on. Even Cyrus who superceded Babylon, was a hand picked vessel, even anointed by Jehovah through the remnant’s holy ones who interacted with Cyrus after Babylon’s defeat. Cyrus was a picture of Jesus Christ’s final conquest over global Babylon the Great, which though like Nebs conquest of Jerusalem, is guided by God’s judgment. Neither Jerusalem, Babylon then, or Babylon today can escape Jehovah’s judgment in that matter, this finality of “Cyrus”, will be global.
Also look at the overall body parts as to the longevity of these kingdoms,, the Greek and Roman influence upon the western world, and the 7th Kingdom which must remain only a short period in the feet. Though the toes number is not known, if it were 10 or 12, which have occurred in humans, it is a human number of completeness. No doubt the Roman system would not have been iron like without the knowledge of the Greeks. And maybe you are familiar with Alexander’s fascination I think with both Babylon and Egypt, he was looking for truth, he was raised in the epitome of his days worldly wisdoms, so those men had a different appreciation of the tales and truths of those older kingdoms, and they assimilated into their own power systems, the wisdoms of all that preceded them.
We know though that that more organic picture of the “seed of mankind” is very interesting:
(Daniel 2:41-43) . . .“And whereas you beheld the feet and the toes to be partly of molded clay of a potter and partly of iron, the kingdom itself will prove to be divided, but somewhat of the hardness of iron will prove to be in it, forasmuch as you beheld the iron mixed with moist clay. 42 And as for the toes of the feet being partly of iron and partly of molded clay, the kingdom will partly prove to be strong and will partly prove to be fragile. 43 Whereas you beheld iron mixed with moist clay, they will come to be mixed with the offspring of mankind; but they will not prove to be sticking together, this one to that one, just as iron is not mixing with molded clay.
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That in itself is saying this forced mixture appears to be stable, but it has a key weakness, division. Like the old adage, divided we fall. And to make matters worse, these “feet” of the Anglo-American dominated “mixture” is the basis of the whole system in that picture. That is much weight to be carrying in and of itself, the global kingdom power structure. And , LOL, to make matters even worse, something will actually smash into those feet, rendering the works of man into the winds of time to disappear by God’s own hand, not human is the stone cut from a mountain that becomes itself a mountain.
(Daniel 2:35) . . .At that time the iron, the molded clay, the copper, the silver and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that no trace at all was found of them. And as for the stone that struck the image, it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth.
Many references are made in the bible to this two mountain meaning, Jehovah’s Kingdom, and Jesus Christ’s as a mighty Kingdom springing from God’s overall true power. Even Jesus Christ, the tried stone alludes to it:
(Matthew 21:42-44) . . .Jesus said to them: “Did YOU never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits. 44 Also, the person falling upon this stone will be shattered. As for anyone
upon whom it falls, it will pulverize him.”
So that picture of this heavenly wrought “stone” is global, and individual in import. Eventually this must come to the head, Jesus will indeed judge all man, and only the law of love is what he upholds, all hatreds and divisions, pride and self-willed persons in Satan’s image, are doomed in the long run. But since we are all in that situation, Peter likens this period to a loving kindness of God, that we may attain, that is reach, real repentance:
(2 Peter 3:9-10) . . .Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance. 10 Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief. . .
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I see many patterns of divisiveness in that iron clay mix. Anyone who reads of the fickle, flip flopping alliance of tha nations, ever changing to meet the power priorities of specific periods, realizes all these kingdoms only work together when there is a common profit from it. When that ceases, so does the “unity”. So this utter lie of mankind’s own illusion of unity, must in the end be fragmented to even all versus all, man is a wandering unit, no truth actually binds that iron clay mixture, no form of government has worked to deliver true justice and impartial treatment to all people, it is all a wealth and power game. So, this final experiment, in global unified rulership, must sadly of course reflect man’s true reality, not the many notions of all the nations which are artificially propped up with energy, material things, and systems which are all based on Edenic mutiny, of man ruling himself, of man making the laws, of man determining good and evil, of all the claimants to the knowledge of that tree, which in itself is no knowledge whatsoever, man has learned only Satanic things by that seizure of the fruit of this super-knowledge, it is not even Satan’s right to determine the universal law.
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So it is all pointing to the fact that when man left Jehovah’s sovereignty, to establish their own, and as Satan did the very same thing, that all those “sovereigns” will come crawling back to God, of those who can repent. As far as Satan, is appears his pride and stubbornness knows no limits, but Jehovah will get him underfoot regardless, and ALL his children of both realms. The truth of the matter is that even after all these thousands of years, the moist clay iron mix is the best mankind has done. No true unity and strength, just the illusions of it.
Many “fractals” of that truth are evident for all of us who believe this illustration from God. There is no true harmony between clay, men and machines, the iron. Fueling it, building it, maintaining it, is a big blackhole of conflict, war, pollution, endless trial and error, and the earth is simply rejecting even the weight of these mechanized cities, they are not with the power flow natural, they are against it.
And the “iron” is not done yet, many more men are due to be replaced by machines, this industrialism now empowered by artificial digital intelligence, the whole global network of intelligence in military, finance and societies global, is being modeled by men above governments, who have their own demon aided objectives, that gathering of Rev16:13-16. What I mean is that as these massive technological systems develop to completion under Satanic guidance, the atomic, the digital, the super wave, the war technocratic complex, it can turn very very dangerous on a global level, if these things are used for the true intent they have been developed. All that calculus root understanding, came from babylon and Egypt. Kind of interesting the progression of mathematical and physics logic from the ancients, to the Greeks, to the Romans, into our digitally enhanced “intel” development systems.
Still! It is not mixing well with humanity! LOL.
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But ultimately, the clay pictures humanity, the metals picture in their own time, the strengths and the powers of all these kingdoms. Interestingly iron has many mixes to form all kinds of steel strengths. Now look at this Roman knowledge system, look at what national sovereignty has proven to be. The ultimate power is the belief in value of wealth, capital, assets, and money. Money, especially these fictional banking systems which are comprised of 3-5% physical dollars, paper, not even metal backed, total faith in the government backed partnership. That illusion is even worse, 90%+ of this representative means of exchange, is all digital accounts. If I was a top dog in London, or the Federal reserve, I would send you a message, Hi Chr, I just created 10 accounts for you, C1001-01 through C1001-10, each with 1000000000 dollars in them, by simple mouse clicks, in the banking digital network. Please by us some airports, power stations and technologies under your corporate shell. Thanks, let us know how it progresses.
This is at the top level, a simplification of what happened when the Federal Reserve pumped in multi-trillions into the banking system of their picked top level players. All totally made up, all for the corporate body to be positioned to pick up a whole schlew of distressed assets as that bottoms out. They did not “helicopter” this 16 admitted trillions of dollars over poor neighborhoods, they are financing a leveraged buy out of
whole nations.
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So this “iron”, the power to create technologies, to own dams and rivers, to build missiles, etc, is the power of nations formerly. Now this sovereignty is being “given” to the wildbeast, rev17:12-14, and it as we can all see with a little research is not being run by government national corporations, but by super-sovereign power systems running all those nations. The UN is just a policy picture of the “unification” of all the power systems of these nations, into a control panel above and beyond them all, run by the finance engine, programmed to consolidate wealth not in bankrupted governments, but into a global finance, capital, and banking super-intelligence system. Nobody even checks these guys accounting, they are running the place from that core power of wealth, through super-national globalist corporations, who erect a political puppet show to keep the people thinking it’s liberals and conservatives, democrats and republicans, capitalists and communists, when it is one big demon aided design ripping the whole place off, owning all their physical assets, reregulating the system through their bought politicians to enrich themselves, and it is then protected by a massive monopoly of violence, from the lowest level police city thugs, to the highest levels of a multi-layered military machine, a Global NATO, and all the complexity of that 3000 base system global, with all the fraud of 10 years, 100 trillion dollars to keep that power system in their control, and expanding to their global domination objective.
That is the iron, that is now intermixed into all the nations, the Anglo-American devised system of banking, and money laundering in weapons, fuels, and markets, to bring nations unwittingly at first, under their designed and engineered fraud market system global, tpo consolidate wealth and power into their invisible control network, while everyone else focuses on the visual governments, who are more broke and indebted than the people themselves.
What is that equaling as we speak?
Well Global NATO, there war and coercion engine is 75-80% of total war power global. WAY beyond the US figures of WW2. Now under one controlling UNATO formulating control panel, as publicly spoken of Sept23, 2008. That is of course progressing, the sovereign power is shifting from nation-state governments, to the globalist controllers behind the scenes. Presidents become dictators, “governments” become installed panels of CEOs and technocrats, and that is what is happening.
Now what about the corporate wealth system, even before 2008 this system was controlling almost half the world wealth, and since that is conservative, they today are probably at the 60 to 70% control density of the globe. This next meltdown will increase the consolidation of wealth into their power system even more so than 2008. That is let’s just say 80% of a 200 trillion dollar established capital system. And I don’t mean the money volume in Wall Street and London, etc, but ACTUAL hard asset systems, bases, harbors, airports, technologies, mines, virtually the
actual ground and cities, buildings and infrastructure of the entire global system.
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Now that means to have gotten to this level in 30 years, they own all these government’s politicians as well, that was a done deal well before this ever became obvious, at this point it is 20 years too late to ever reverse this power, wealth, and sovereign shift into the 8th King of Revelation, really a clandestine partnership of wildbeast2, the elite Anglo-American system, and the “image”, the scarlet wildbeast that these elite powers have engineered in the UN philosophy, but now, fully empowered through it’s supporting elite organs, CFR, Bilderberg, Tri-lateral Commission, Chatham House, etc, etc, etc, etc. Rev13:11-15, Rev17:3.
So as we see from Rev17:3, this completed wildbeast, the 8th King power system, can then concentrate on that which is riding it, the now useless Babylon the Great harlot system of many religions, and I think even institutional religious systems like academia provides, which can now be fully absorbed, pillaged, and removed. Secular religion has now superceded the old false religions of the nations to motivate and justify the actions of this worlds Kings. Like Revelation states, the “waters” are drying up, and this “thought” of her destruction and asset pillage, is placed in these kings head by God himself. It actually makes sense, that a world going into this “unity”, needs a streamlined, unified system of belief for the generations to follow. Of course that will not be the outcome, for that is what Satan is engineering again, for his own control and worship objective as he plays “god”.
So this power system strength, the iron, we know in the feet is fragmented, this power system, is not a stable structure, it does not mix well with humanity, it may look like feet, but once the real load bearing is put to the test, it is already dividing, by the time that “stone” hits this mess, it will be all over, a total implosion to nothingness of human power under this Adamic rebellion. It simply is claiming unity, righteousness, justice, freedom etc, yet it is divided, and a total sham lie. Really ironic that some believe it, and some do not.
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So though I can see the “governmental” aspects of the initial interpretations, but that is a progressive thing, this consolidation was well below even 30% in world war 2′s post developmental system. So this iron is many fragments of how the Roman system’s original ideas, were fully developed by the English system to rule Europe, and during and after Napoleon that was an economic and finance power system first to be able to infuse hot war power as needed, and by those fragments of iron in war technologies, many nations became suckered into the market+weapons systems that the Anglo-American partnership ended up selling to all the nations, even by principle, so that even the USSR system was a replicant of that Roman system, refined to a science during the world wars.
The world wars were in fact the very means by which this Anglo-System was pounded into place after these wars ceased, USDollar systems, hubbed into the IMF/WorldBank, became the junction by which the USDollar system infused it’s objectives into Asia, Europe, South America, etc, even if they were in the Soviet camp, it is all the same system of enslaving nations by the very idea that this forming of the feet is freedom. Now we know, the whole world is realizing, no, we are now enslaved to these systems which now protect themselves from any revolt, and the banking, corporate, and governmental super-structure is international, and global in scope of ownership, control, and progressive expansion to attempt to control 100% of the world system under 1 global power of the 8th and final King, the one who gets the “stone” soon.
It is toppling on it’s own, that is true, but when God actually begins to throw his power into this system, for real, that is when it will fully go down. It will not be able to handle that impact, however it may arrive, and who knows, yes it is symbolic, but it might very well be a literal heaven “stone”. I personally think a meteor could be part of this, but the symbolic filling of the whole earth, by that stone, is a reference to Jesus Christ’s complete Kingdom rule over earth, to replace this image of mankind’s rulerships. “In the days of those kings…”
This globalist form of government, is the last in the series, with fragments of them all as well. man will have tried everything to prove Satan correct, and God the liar, which is impossible in reality, but the gist of the Edenic controversy. So really, God is not one to be mocked, now the global system, just like an individual, like a fractal whole, must also reap what it has sown.
FYI – Some real-time biblical fulfillment and examples from current events and recent history:
Rev17:12-14 The global national Sovereignty Shift to the Globalist 8th Kingdom of Revelation is completing:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TKTQPE25H2PUL4K7S
Luke 21:25-28 The “roaring of the sea” of mankind and global revolt is just initiating as “anguish of nations” in global awareness that there is “no way out”.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TM68FBS8256VEQBQJ
The “woe to the earth” phase of Satan’s removal from heaven, is maturing to “great tribulation”, concurrent with Jesus Christ’s heavenly phase of power, the “subduing in the midst of his enemies” Rev12; Ps2; Ps110
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TQLBM3C9PEPN375IH
The Global UNATO worldwide sphere of publicly defined “military order”, a requirement for the “gathering of the nations” into the Har-Magedon situation, a “mountain” (har=earth) of the “military establishment” (magedon’s meaning; “assembly of troops” [against God's Kingdom])
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TIV51AUTEC8RCPQ5P
The Custom Wildbeast of the Anglo-American “shadowy global network” of elites and super powered individuals controlling the wildbeast system, through this 2 horned wildbeast (Rev13:11-15; Rev17:3) – Why God has detailed out this particular wildbeast, it is very secretive:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TGC759GQDVTMGR6Q6
