What man do you know has the ability to read the heart of men? What man has the power of life which in his self? What man has the power to speak for God in All things? What man has the power to walk on water? What man has the power to forgive sin. What man can cause even nature to obey?
The man you speak of, Jesus, was a perfect Last Adam, a perfect human, so he is what all humans in the earthly realm of his Kingdom power (1000 years) will have opportunity to partake of, removing Adamic flesh, replacing it with Last Adamic flesh, perfection AND deathlessness, sinlessness. (That takes time, 1000 years)
With all due respect, but it’s the truth, the “Christ” you have been offered and teach is Satan. It is why you (and many others), like Eve, believe you will be like God, but you cannot, that is Satan’s first lie.
There is only 2 destinations offered repentant and obedient humans, Heaven in a legally contracted group through Jesus Christ in the New Covenant for a kingdom, and the earthly realm, as the territory which that Kingdom shall rule.
One reason why?
God must keep his promise AND oath to Abraham, and by extension that promise is for the blessing of “the nations of the earth”, not the whole earth going to heaven or hell, but that the seed Abraham was father to, would rule David’s kingdom over earth, with a select group of earth’s rulers as kings and priests.
Why priests? Heaven is sinless and needs no priests. The hell-fire myth also needs no priests, so why priests?
Because the lamb must shepherd the nations with an iron rod, the great crowd is the beginning of the new earth to be:
(Revelation 7:17) . . .because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”
Heaven does NOT need to be guided to waters of life. The earthly nations under the 1000 year reign will need such Kingdom services, and Jesus will lead just such a global work, so that the Kingdom will come, and God’s will will be done ON EARTH, as it is in heaven.
1Cor15:26 the removal of the Last Enemy, death on earth, can then be fulfilled, for death is ONLY here on earth, heaven has no death.
Then Jesus will subject himself to his Master Jehovah, and he will also give the Kingdom, back to God. 1Cor15:24
The bible is comprehensively clear on this sacred secret of this Kingdom of God, and WHY it is being announced on earth. Matt24:14
What you teach is that God’s will will be done in hell, as it is in heaven, everlasting life in both realms. (I assume you are a hell-fire misled as well, so forgive me if you are not, you have made a step towards truth.)
Jesus was not God on earth, he was God’s son, a perfect man as human, and is God’s son, a perfect immortal servant of God.
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Does man overcome sin?
Well for those in the divine class, they are instantaneously made incorruptible in Christ’s form as he is their brother, all born from God.
So they overcome sin, they are perfected instantly, but they are no longer men. Even the sin (Rom6-7) that they overcame, was being slave to it, but they were still sinners, as Paul noted sin resides in the flesh, indwelt since Adam. So these overcame the slavery, the repented in full, and found the forgiveness from God by Jesus blood.
Paul is clear that Adam’s body has died, even in a full lifetime timelag, over nations as well in their legacies, people die.
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So does man overcome sin? Yes, but not in this form, because to overcome sin, means to also live forever, because sin is death, no sin, no death curse; Rev22:3.
Then how will man be made sinless?
The leaven has to be removed, the sin, in totality, even Jesus sacrifice is not for the prupose of endless sin. Even if we are forgiven in repentance, we still die, though forgiven.
Because we are forgiven not for Adam’s sin, still in our flesh, but for our sins.
So that is why we die, we are not perfectly sinless, but forgiven, that should cover it. But it doesn’t. there is a death still present in Adam, and that one is teid to sin like Romans 6-7, the most “sin” dense two chapters in the bible in wording I suspect.
So Jesus has the “bread of heaven”. He also has the “blood of the covenant”. He also has 1000 years to apply both, as one diminishes the Adamic sin death by forgiveness,(blood), the perfect body can be developed away from Adam in Jesus bodily perfection which is part of that sacrifice (bread).
So man by that process of learning obedience can overcome sin.
By overcoming sin, with this divine program in 1000 years, then eternal life is also a reality.
Just as Adam’s disobedience causes death, Jesus obedience causes life, so all who obey in his pattern live.
Obedience to God = life.
That’s when the last enemy death, is brought to nothing, because death is a human issue, not a heavenly one.
God by Jesus is bringing death to nothing on earth were it alone exists, not people to nothing on earth, he must bring death to nothing, by people living forever, as Adam lost, Christ regained.
That will occur: 1Cor15:24-28.
The issue was started here in the flesh (Adam’s) and will be finished here in the flesh (Jesus’).
Does man overcome sin?
Yes. Those willing:
(Hebrews 5:8-10). . .Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered; 9 and after he had been made perfect he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those OBEYING him, 10 because he has been specifically called by God a high priest . . .
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Since its that simple – tell the reader -
a/ was He born twice?
b/ Does He have a mother, or
c/ is it simply His Incarnation provides the answer to His Sonship as described in Heb 2
Firstly, it was a full birth, not an incarnation, he became human, not a materialization.
He was born 4 times actually, and in each case it was Jehovah’s DIRECT works, there was no intermediary power, such as that Jesus provided for all the creation, except himself.
(Born in heaven, born on earth, spirit begotten, firstborn from the dead (immortal))
Really he died three times as well, but one death (baptism) and one (birth) are symbolic though with spirit begotten meaning, but he did not cease consciousness in those 2 symbolic death/birth.
(1. Transferred from heaven (emptied, Phil2), 2. symbol of death,(baptism Luke 11:50; 3. sacrificicial death)
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Hebrews 2 shows his brotherhood as the first-born of the brothers, but his relationship to the blood:
(Hebrews 2:14-17). . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed. 17 Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects. . .
That Sonship describes his “new creation” another Only-Begotten creative work of Jehovah, as “new creation” number 1, first in ALL things.
He was already a son here, as at the baptism by John the Baptist which fulfilled this in symbol:
(Psalm 2:7) Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah; He has said to me: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father.
he was reborn for real in heaven after his death, to immortality, which as the one who previously died, he was mortal at that time, also why the “inhabited earth” is not subjected to mortal angels, which he was one, the foremost first-born of all the angels, the one Paul asks the question about:
(Hebrews 1:5) For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: “You are my son; I, today, I have become your father”?
Some see that as rhetorical, but it has an answer. To which one? Michael, but archangel is a bit more than angel, he was the master pattern and conduit for all the angelic types, so arch is ancient first, how can one be chief of angels when there was only one at one time?, chief as well as others angels came into existence through him, but arch is also his type, unique in a way related to his exact image from God’s only-begotten power into him, the exact representation of his very being.
But in the beginning, we see he was plainly mortal, his life was dependent on obedience, like the rest. Satan was cursed for disobedience in Eden.
But Jesus was exalted, he became better than he was, in that he is incorruptible now, and immortal indestructible, he will never die again, so that required a re-fathering so to speak, new creation directly from the Almighty’s Immortal Eternal power to do such a thing.
Completely new, even as a man to replace Adam completely, and immortal Mighty God recognized by the Almighty God as Mighty God, exalted to that extreme.
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“Firstly, it was a full birth, not an incarnation, he became human, not a materialization.”
The reason was stated directly after the sin in Eden. Rev21-22 ties back to Genesis 1, Jesus had to become the New Adam, the Last Adam, because the Adamic death cannot be removed from Adam, Jesus is “bread of heaven”, “out of heaven”, with “life in himself”, and that applied to the fact that he would still be here if he was not murdered.
Gen1-3 sets the stage of a blessing given, that became a curse, that must return to the blessing of Genesis1:27-28, no way God can everlastingly reverse his blessing in that purpose, and that is why Jesus became a man, to be the missing link in perfection, which Adam dropped out of into death, Jesus is the everlasting link to human life, all life as well, as God’s chief instrument of all creation.
Matt19:28 states there will be a ReGenesis, the re-creation, the regeneration, Romans8:18 shows that affects all creation under the Adamic given blessing, gen1:27-28, that turned to a curse that ripples into the “ground”, a symbol of human creation, but animals, and the whole earth life system, became subject to Satan, through the Adamic loss of rights.
It’s simple not all about heaven, that Kingdom is required to bring all these things into earth, the complete restoration and purification of this entire earth, to divine accepted perfection as in the beginning, the curse is removed, rev22:1-3, and that applies to the “healing of the nations”.
Really the heavenly pattern is a pattern to be repeated on earth in humanity, even the former Adamic humans must be “re-born” into Last Adamic perfection, earthlings cannot forever be stuck in Adam, he is leading even to second death for those insistent on the old way of the lie.
Isaiah talks about this:
(Isaiah 26:19) 19 “Your dead ones will live. A corpse of mine—they will rise up. Awake and cry out joyfully, YOU residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth].
That is the meaning of Jesus being called Eternal Father, offspring based on his sacrifice into the human world:
(Isaiah 53:10) If you will set his soul as a guilt offering, he will see his offspring. . .
(Psalm 45:16) In place of your forefathers there will come to be your sons, Whom you will appoint as princes in all the earth.
At some point the sacrificial blood’s need for forgiveness will diminish, as the sin in Adam, is replaced with the obedience in Christ that only his actual perfect bread can make possible to humans, he is a two-part sacrifice, the Passover was not the same as the atonement day sacrificial procedure, but they relate, but Christ is a Passover as well, that body is shared by his bride for a specific purpose related to removing the curse, and especially the ability to be truly obedient, and maintain a sinlessness in that body Christ gave to God with the blood, it is needed, it is perfection in human form.
That is why the temptation of Satan, after the 1000 years have ended is upon not sinners, but upon perfect humans just as Adam was, and Jesus maintained to offer that opportunity to return to the exact state of Eden Adam lost.
Satan cannot test heaven, that was already done and resolved, he took a third with him, and they were cast. His temptation will apply to the earthlings, were it began, is where it must be finished, and Heb2:14 shows Satan must be destroyed as the one having the ability to cause death.
Once that is accomplished, the last enemy is destroyed, Christ hands that Kingdom back to God, God is “all things to everyone”. Life in both realms, God’s will on earth, as in heaven.
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Now – answer the problem – how does God resolve the sin problem in sinful flesh prior to His return?
The resolution (at this time) is forgiveness (leading to sinlessness as the 1000 years progress), the Passover of Christ today, is those angels also sparing those with faith in the blood of the lamb at this period:
Here is his manifestation, it basically ends the Great Tribulation:
(2 Thess:6-10) This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for YOU,
7 but, to YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels
8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.
9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,
10 at the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among YOU.
It is the event here called “cut short the days”:
(Matt 24:21-22) for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.
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So it is a period of global extent so bad, calling it an extinction mode of the Great Tribulation would be accurate.
That Paul tied in 2Thess1:6 with “those causing tribulation for you” is not accidental, it relates to GT, and this is the “deliverance” also mentioned at Luke21:25-28:
(Rev 7:9-14) I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues… “These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation.
BUT, these are not sinless, they are covered by blood, true, but they need more shepherding:
(Rev 7:17) the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”
This is also how we know they are not in heaven, which is sinless, these must be guided to the “waters of life”, meaning guided out of sin and death, hence the “tears are wiped from their eyes”.
Death is the root cause of these tears:
(Rev 21:3-4) The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
And these “waters” are shown here:
(Rev 22:1-3) And he showed me a river of water of life…flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb…And on this side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations. 3 And no more will there be any curse.
And that “curse” is removed for the blessing of Gen1:28 to be restored, because sin, and the curse it caused, is no longer present in mankind.
But that is after Satan is already destroyed in Rev20:10, and the complete “New Jerusalem” has descended to earth, and the only access is sinlessness whether in heaven or earth.
The point being even this great crowd, who “exercised faith” must be perfected in progression, until all humanity (resurrected ones) is actually sin-free in Christ’s Last Adamic perfection.
So God does not need to resolve sin to perfection before Jesus final manifestation, that is why he is being manifested, the 1000 year Kingdom progressively restores sinlessness.
