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Q: So what about those you foresee on the earth? Are they born again or still dead in their sins?
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Recall the heavenly group, is seen not as Jesus children, but as his brothers, and they have all been adopted from a sinful state, to an incorruptible state, patterned on Jesus spirit perfection in immortality. They ALL consider Almighty God the Father, their Father and God.
(John 1:12) . . .he gave authority to become God’s children. . .
(Romans 8:17) . . .If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ. . .
(Romans 8:20-21) . . .For the creation was subjected to futility… 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God.
The only “creation” subject to corruption, is earthly; waiting for the final manifestation (2Thess1:6)…
(Romans 8:23) . . .while we are earnestly waiting for adoption as sons, the release from our bodies by ransom.
But recall too, Jesus is called in Isaiah9 the ‘Eternal Father’, a term that can only be applied in an earthly sense, to humans.
(Isaiah 9:6-7) . . .For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end. . .
Adam had opportunity to have been our Eternal Father, but he sinned. Though still our earthly father, he is a ‘Dead Father’, and we inherited that from him. Jesus as the Last Adam must become our fleshly ‘Eternal Father’ for real in physicality as well in humans willing, so the scripture will be fulfilled legally, in the earthly realm. Jesus is not father to the heavenly children of God, he is one of them, the foremost brother. So, Jesus being called Eternal Father, and Prince of Peace is earthly. He will “father” all the renewed children of earth to peace, not war, to sinlessness not transgression (this will take time, 1000 years, millions and millions of humans involved)…
(Matthew 19:28) [Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to YOU, In the re-creation...]
…with the end objective stated in 1Cor15:26, to bring death to nothing, the death which Paul said, is “ruling as king” in our bodies.
(Romans 5:21) . . .To what end? That, just as sin ruled as king with death, likewise also undeserved kindness might rule as king through righteousness with everlasting life in view through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Thus Jesus, Eternal Father, by undeserved kindness by his sacrifice which allows a period of learning to also fulfill perfection sinless, thus also is aclled the Wonderful Counselor. Isaiah 11 furthers the promise that Jesus ruling spiritual power will even bring peace to the animal creation.
We must, in earth, discard EVERYTHING that Adam, Satan, and the subsequent nations passed down in error, thus even war is brought to nothing, all power, all authority, and all human government in the Adamic model. Jesus will then fulfill his grand title as the Prince of Peace, in the realm NEEDING to become peace, earth. (Peace was already achieved in heaven, as the war there that removed Satan and the demons, casting them to fulfill “woe to the earth”, is won, a ‘woe’ final period which God promised would be cut short. Armageddon is the beginning of peace on earth, when the warrior Satan and the demons are POW in the abyss, and the nations of Rev13 and 16, are neutralized of harmful power (Rev11:18). (Dan 2:44; Joel 3:9; Zeph 3:9; Psalm2, 110)
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(Isaiah 2:4) . . .And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
(Micah 4:3-4) . . .And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].
The survivors of the great tribulation, and the climax divine strike of Jesus and the angels at 2Thess1:6, are in a state similar to those who passed through the Red Sea under Moses and God’s angel; a true deliverance (Luke21:28).
They are in a transitional period where we do not know anything in detail yet, because physiologically, and spiritually, we do not know how sin kills us physically, we have ideas, but now we can go by miracle, and transformation of life purpose, based on the way of the Wonderful Counselor, to life a day at a time to a sinless perfection objective on earth, as Jesus maintained. Adamic death in us and then there is the death penalty of also willful sin, we must get by those to truly find how to sustain and maintain life by divine guidance.
Once the ones from the emptying of Hades and death, come to life, in a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous, Isaiah says:
(Isaiah 26:19) . . .For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth**].
(**”Born again”, but into fleshly perfection physical, which will also require a freewill sinlessness retained by those in this state, to continue alive, as Adam failed. The survivors apparently are changed miraculously, for Adam’s flesh must leave earthlings at some point to the full, replaced by Jesus perfect body, the “bread” of heaven, life)
(Hebrews 5:9-10) . . .he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him, 10 because he has been specifically called by God a high priest . . .
Those in heaven of his brothers already obey Jesus, they are incorruptible. The preistly duties can only be applied to those on earth, who desire to achieve a similar state of everlasting life on earth, by learned obedience on a period within the 1000 year reign on earth, where death is the issue in Adam, which it is NOT in heaven.
(Revelation 20:5-6) . . .This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.
Earthly perfection takes time, as some will fail even in this process by freewill disobedience.
(Isaiah 65:20) . . .“No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age; and as for the sinner, although a hundred years of age he will have evil called down upon him.
So, in effect a new birth is needed for those coming from the resurrection, millions upon millions. Why bring their bodies back into Adamic impurity as they already died, and paid that penalty of Adamic death. Why again? No, the danger of disobedience in that 1000 year reign, is the second death, NOT Adamic death, that is the final penalty for those who will not follow and appreciate God’s provision.
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The objective of Jesus as the Last Adam is to do away with all traces of Adamic leaven in the bread on earth, the bodies of the human race, transformed to Jesus Last Adamic body, not Adam’s which must fully, be brought to nothing, so even death can be brought to nothing the last enemy, vanquished by the power of the Last Adam, as heavenly power of God’s son, high priest and king.
So, it is a deep thing, and to speculate in detail, is just that, a speculation. We know, the sacrifice is to bring humans into the relationship:
(1 Corinthians 15:24) . . .Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father. . .
(1 Corinthians 15:26) . . .the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing.
(1 Corinthians 15:28) . . .that God may be all things to everyone.
The vanquishing of death, by removal of sin, by removal of the earth (and demon heavens) system harboring it some 6000 years, the Adamic patterned body it dwelt in as king in a physical manifestation passed down through Adam, and the chief architect of hatred through envy of God resulting in lie, lies, envy, theft murder, sin; Satan. This matured to the climax, in this world, and upon Satans release, to the climax finale, Satan’s last testing of NOT sinners but perfect Last Adamic, Jesus perfect bodied humans to conclusively lay the issue to rest.
Death removed in the human system, deathless like the heavenly one has been.
(Revelation 20:14) . . .And death and Ha′des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. . .
The death of death himself (Satan):
(Revelation 20:10) 10 And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire. . .
(Hebrews 2:14-15) . . .Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives.
Fulfilling the first prophecy stated to Satan’s face:
(Genesis 3:15) . . .And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head . . .
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Then the stated will of God, can proceed as it would have, had Satan and Adam and sin and death NOT attempted an overpowering of love and life, and God’s will:
(Genesis 1:28) 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it. . .
(Revelation 21:1-4) . . .And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
(Isaiah 11:4-9) . . .And he must strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the spirit of his lips he will put the wicked one to death. 5 And righteousness must prove to be the belt of his hips, and faithfulness the belt of his loins. 6 And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.
God retains, and rightfully and legally reclaims sovereign rule of heaven and earth, as was challenged to no avail:
(1 Corinthians 15:24) . . .Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father. . .
(1 Corinthians 15:28) . . .that God may be all things to everyone.
God’s will “done on earth, as it is in heaven” before it.
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So what happens to all those dead people from the past?
The ones Xtendom says did not know Jesus so they go to a flaming hereafter?
Is hell-fire the truth?…
…or a misleading distraction which has confused the very origin of the issue, which started on earth, in the flesh?
How come hell became the destination which Xtendom uses to prod people in their path to heaven?
How come hell has become a new form of everlasting life, rather than a state to be done away with in the lake of Fire?
Is God’s will still including earth, and the millions that never knew God in accurate knowledge?
What is then, the resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous???
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The “dead in their sins” are the resurrection of the unrighteous. Either through ignorance…..
(Acts 17:30-31) . . .True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent. 31 Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”
or Adamic stubbornness….
(Matthew 12:31-32) . . .“On this account I say to YOU, Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him…
Heaven’s righteous incorruptibles have preceded this entire 1000 year work.
Apparently, and from what I have seen, logical, the resurrection of the righteous and the foundation already being set in faith by the survivors of this world’s end of the wicked, may precede the resurrection of the unrighteous, to have a functioning perfection advancing before them, for the best opportunity for all attaining a new life purpose, in a new way of life comprehensively.
Scripturally, the deliverance of the earth is followed by God’s reward to his original prophets up to John the Baptist:
(Revelation 11:18) 18 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”
(Matthew 11:12) . . .But from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it.
Legally, God cannot judge a human twice, for the same crime. Death is the penalty. Those who have died, have paid Adamic penalty.
(Romans 6:7) . . .For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.
Seconding God’s legality is the fact he offers an atonement in the blood of his son, by a promise, oath and covenant. So undeserved kindness and love is the law, for God is love.
Obedience to a that law, is doing the will of God, and he that does that remains forever.
The penalty for willful lack of repentance in the 1000 year reign, is called the second death. It is not an Adamic death, covered by the covenant provision of sacrificial atonement. At some point, continuous sin will not be permitted, but since God is just, he will allow perfect time, ability, power and guidance to attain perfection. Only freewill pursuit of known evil ways, can get someone penalized with second death. This death would be for new transgression, not past transgressions of the Adamic nature.
Only by attaining this requirement of cooperation and obedience, which will not be the Adamic ordeal pummeled by demons as well, but a reinforced power of aid in holy spirit for goodness and righteousness, to a complete advantage of actually achieving it, by God’s power, and our cooperation, as Jesus was and is the example. The second death would be legal, for it is applied as a last measure, to willful sin, which already has been shown to cause very bad results for all involved, and will not be permitted to the extent sin was, in the Adamic former world of Satan’s dominance.
(Revelation 22:2) . . .. And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations.
(Revelation 22:14) 14 Happy are those who wash their robes, that the authority [to go] to the trees of life may be theirs and that they may gain entrance into the city by its gates.
(Genesis 22:18) . . .And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves . . .
(John 10:10-11) . . .I have come that they might have life and might have it in abundance. 11 I am the fine shepherd; the fine shepherd surrenders his soul in behalf of the sheep.
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