Waters of Life, Priests

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And then you say that why are they priests and kings if everyone else is perfect?Ben had told me, that theyre offering as sacrifice themselves(just as Jesus). Remember this verse which says something like ‘present yourselves a clean sacrifice unto God which smells beautiful’. He claims they’re not mediators of others, because everyone is perfect. But I told him that I dont believe Jesus will make them perfect without their will. This would be against free will. If you dont mind can you give more verses, I think you said something about Jesus ‘guiding them to clean waters’ and I got the impression that this means Jesus will teach them, so they will not be perfect at once.

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1. Priests

Yes, here is another one were a simple dictionary would help people:

“Priest”: one authorized to perform the sacred rites of a religion especially as a mediatory agent between humans and God.

So the basic role of a priest is mediation. There is no need for a priest, if the mediation is not necessary -  but is is. But since we can now see that this mediation will affect not just the forgiveness of sins, which has a purpose to also keep progressing to also an actual sinlessness, even the sinless body of Last Adam.

So these priests of that divinely anointed power system of that Kingdom, will be affecting things so deep, they are removing Adam from humanity for he is sin and death’s root in humans, in ways only God can understand. And the application of Last Adam, not just his blood, but also his body, which they do partake of as shown in reality not just symbol; Heb2:14, is tied in with the removal of death, which is of course the removal of sin, and that requires Adam to be removed because his flesh carries that same inclination to sin, the curse of sin, that death which is the “last enemy” to be removed; 1Cor15:26.

The Hebrews 2:14 connection of Satan and death’s removal is covered below.

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2. Their Sacrifice: Life, Fruitage, They are Firstfruits

“Ben had told me, that theyre offering as sacrifice themselves (just as Jesus).”

Yes in a way they do as we will cover here, but by Armageddon, that Christian ministerial “sacrifice” of the 144000 is already done and completed in the earthly life of these, the “great crowd” are the final harvest full ingathering. (As shown below later)

Yet these are still priests for 1000 years, …

(Revelation 1:5-6) . . .To him that loves us and that loosed us from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father. . .

(Revelation 5:10) . . .and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

(Revelation 20:6) . . .Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years.

…and although even as human, they do offer sacrifice to God like Jesus,

(Philippians 2:17) . . .Notwithstanding, even if I am being poured out like a drink offering upon the sacrifice and public service to which faith has led YOU, I am glad and I rejoice with all of YOU.

And also sacrifices such as the fruitage of the holy spirit in love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, mercy, self-control, etc, their very lives conquer Satan by being righteous in purpose even if imperfect:

(1 Peter 2:4-5) . . .Coming to him as to a living stone, rejected, it is true, by men, but chosen, precious, with God, 5 YOU yourselves also as living stones are being built up a spiritual house for the purpose of a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

The big difference is Jesus did not die an Adamic death, he offered himself a sacrificial death to God for mankind, these 144000 and all Christian “sacrifice” aren’t “sin offerings”. Sacrifice varies though, these are just good hearted gifts of appreciation and obedience to God because God takes pleasure in righteous acts, but hates wicked works.

(1 Peter 1:15-16) . . .but, in accord with the Holy One who called YOU, do YOU also become holy yourselves in all [YOUR] conduct, 16 because it is written: “YOU must be holy, because I am holy.”

(1 Peter 2:12) . . .Maintain YOUR conduct fine among the nations, that, in the thing in which they are speaking against YOU as evildoers, they may as a result of YOUR fine works of which they are eyewitnesses glorify God in the day for [his] inspection.

(2 Peter 3:11-12) . . .Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought YOU to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah. . .

Even praising God is considered a sacrifice:

(Hebrews 13:15) . . .Through him let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of lips which make public declaration to his name.

So there are a number of ways they offer sacrifice to God, love, behavior, speaking about God’s ways, the whole Christian life, and for many that die faithful, not just the 144000, that is the ultimate “sacrifice” to God and brother sometimes at the same time:

(John 15:13-14) . . .No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends. 14 YOU are my friends if YOU do what I am commanding YOU.

We would also consider God a friend in this service of course, and amazingly the surrender of Jesus life for a sacrifice for even his enemies, and his friends, does fulfill also loving God to the extreme of the commandment, because God sent him to do his will, so then God is love. (To the extreme)

And also, in case people mean priests as sin offering for humans, there is one sacrifice for that, already accepted by God.

(Hebrews 10:12-13) But this man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.

So they will have been good examples, as all Christians can be, like the perfect example Jesus Christ. In Jesus and the 144000 the human family will have these as true powers guiding them in the 1000 years, no more glorifications of evils, such as Satan’s world is famous for. Makes sense, God is obliterating evil, and that Armageddon is one big step in that direction, but even today we can individually decide for ourselves, to live as righteously as possible, and call on aid from Jehovah through Jesus Christ to help remain faithful under test, and in everyday life, like Jesus said, in the model prayer: “And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.” So Armageddon is a massive deliverance from Satan, as he is neutralized into abyss.

That alone will help mankind, because Satan is an insidious sinner spirit, working in ways the human family cannot understand, and many doubt. But God is going further of course than just removing Satan, he is replacing his evil spirit, with the holy spiritual powers through Jesus Christ to takeover the entire heavens and earth for that purifying “renewal” of  “new heavens” and “new earth”.

Now as far as perfected priests sacrificing themselves to God they are immortal deathless at that time, but as humans, some may die in service to Jesus, some of natural causes, they have indeed sacrificed their earthly life, but in that human death, it is an Adamic death, one, and these are of still sinner bodies, so the acceptableness of them was that they followed and obeyed Jesus to the death, declared righteous by faith and undeserved kindness of Jesus sacrifice, they are sacrifices to God, like the chief passover Lamb Christ as a life gift, but Adamic humans cannot give blood to cover sin obviously it is not acceptable to Jehovah as a sin offering, hence the very reason Jesus had to die to do this – it is impossible for Adamic mankind in and of ourselves.

The Passover lamb was not a sin offering as well – but a gift to Jehovah first for deliverance as at Egypt which led to the old covenant. Similarly, the Christ Passover Inauguration/Memorial and actual offering of Jesus the Lamb of God, also led to that new covenant validation. Christ first offers himself to Jehovah, then he also becomes the atonement blood (forgiveness to all with faith) as well – just like the Israel/Mosaic patterns show the reality that would arrive of the final Jesus Christ sacrifice. Just to clarify an imperfect human cannot offer a sin covering as Jesus did, yet these are a sacrifice, they are “first-fruits” as well, check this out, very interesting:

(Revelation 14:4-5) . . .These (144000) were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish.

That is in reference in Rev14, to the 144000. The “firstfruits” were a sacrifice in Israel’s days after Passover as a foregleam of Christ preceding these 144000, and even the “great crowd” is a living offering delivered to Jehovah, through great tribulation, as the full ingathering of the complete “harvest” .

This is interesting from the Revelation – It’s Grand Climax at Hand book:

chap. 29 p. 203 par. 15 Singing the Triumphal New Song
These three firstfruits (Jesus Christ [1], the 144,000 [2], and the great crowd [3]) have interesting correspondencies in the festivals celebrated according to the ancient Mosaic Law. On Nisan 16, during the Festival of Unfermented Cakes, a sheaf of the firstfruits of the barley harvest [1] was offered to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:6-14) Nisan 16 was the day Jesus was resurrected from the dead. On the 50th day from Nisan 16, in the third month, the Israelites celebrated the festival of the harvest of the first ripe fruits of the wheat harvest [2]. (Exodus 23:16; Leviticus 23:15, 16) This festival came to be called Pentecost (from a Greek word meaning “fiftieth”), and it was at Pentecost 33 C.E. that the first members of the 144,000 were anointed with holy spirit. Finally, in the seventh month when the whole harvest [3] was gathered in, there was the Festival of Booths, a time of joyful thanksgiving when the Israelites dwelt for a week in booths made of, among other things, palm branches. (Leviticus 23:33-43) Correspondingly, the great crowd, who are part of the great ingathering, give thanks before the throne with “palm branches in their hands.”—Revelation 7:9.

So that deliverance of the “great crowd” is just the beginning of the salvation work.

(Hebrews 5:8-10) . . .Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered; 9 and after he had been made perfect he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him, 10 because he has been specifically called by God a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek.

Interesting side-note showing Jesus is not dependant on a Levitical lineage to be the priest, and his immortality is a feature of his priestly powers:

(Hebrews 7:15-16) . . .And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life.

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Waters of Life:

(Revelation 7:15-17) . . .That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down upon them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”

Yes this “waters of life” and the “tent” are also shown to mean deathlessness due to sinlessness attained:

Curse removed from mankind shown here, as the “river” of “waters of life” come from God and the Lamb’s throne (rulership) where the “trees of life producing twelve crops” grow all around the “river” and are obviously “drank” and “consumed” as a symbol of earthwide curing renewal into Last Adam to God, purity is it’s character, truth:

(Revelation 22:1-3) . . .And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations. 

3 And no more will there be any curse.. . .

And this “tent”, the “One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them” (Rev7:15) is an arrangement where God is to become like in Eden, “with” mankind:

(Revelation 21:1-6) . . .And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” 5 And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also, he says: “Write, because these words are faithful and true.” 6 And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free. 

(Revelation 22:17) . . .And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.

Waters of life again, necessary for this deathless, sinless “tent” and the curse removed, obviously the blessing is given again in Last Adam rather than Adam, but this is the unchangeable will of God:

(Genesis 1:27-28) . . .And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. 28 Further, God blessed them and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

And of course “waters” are also signified in the bible as wisdom:

(Proverbs 18:4) 4 The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters. The well of wisdom is a torrent bubbling forth.

The bible is spoken of as a cleansing water from divine wisdom:

(Ephesians 5:25-26) . . .Christ also loved the congregation and delivered up himself for it, 26 that he might sanctify it, cleansing it with the bath of water by means of the word. . .

And Jesus spoke of himself having this “water”:

(John 4:14-15) 14 Whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty at all, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water bubbling up to impart everlasting life.” 15 The woman said to him: “Sir, give me this water. . .

And this is also symbolic of the priestly service to mankind to come:

(Hebrews 10:21-22) . . .and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us approach with true hearts in the full assurance of faith, having had our hearts sprinkled from a wicked conscience and our bodies bathed with clean water. (Obviously that is much more than a literal bath, but a removal of sin from the body, leaven from the “bread)

Then we see symbolically and prophetically “water” is tied to physical healing:

(Isaiah 35:5-6) . . .At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. 6 At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness. For in the wilderness waters will have burst out, and torrents in the desert plain.

So obviously those “waters” are more than just hydrating deserts, it is a symbol of man’s current drought ceasing by divine means.

“Water” shown symbolically again, and the restoration prophecy relating to Rev22:1-3, and at the end, it is called a “creation”:
(Isaiah 41:17-20) 17 “The afflicted ones and the poor ones are seeking for water, but there is none. Because of thirst their very tongue has become dry. I myself, Jehovah, shall answer them. I, the God of Israel, shall not leave them. 18 Upon bare hills I shall open up rivers, and in the midst of the valley plains, springs. I shall make the wilderness into a reedy pool of water, and the waterless land into sources of water. 19 In the wilderness I shall set the cedar tree, the acacia and the myrtle and the oil tree. In the desert plain I shall place the juniper tree, the ash and the cypress at the same time; 20 in order that people may see and know and pay heed and have insight at the same time, that the very hand of Jehovah has done this, and the Holy One of Israel has himself created it.”

Water as knowledge and the thirst for the teachings and knowledge of Jehovah:

(Isaiah 5:13) . . .Therefore my people will have to go into exile for lack of knowledge; and their glory will be famished men, and their crowd will be parched with thirst.

(Amos 8:11) 11 “‘Look! There are days coming,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘and I will send a famine into the land, a famine, not for bread, and a thirst, not for water, but for hearing the words of Jehovah.

(Psalm 63:1) . . .O God, you are my God, I keep looking for you. My soul does thirst for you.. . .

So it will take time in whatever the divine appointed process of times may be.

Then the very symbol of the fountains of wisdom in The Word in the past, though literal as well, of course this has greater meaning:
(Proverbs 8:22-24) 22 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water.

And who better than the Counselor from the very beginning, being “in the beginning” to do the teaching as Jehovah has willed:

(Isaiah 9:6) . . .For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

And that “Eternal Father” figure of the Last Adam to th human race. We know this, because he MUST BE CALLED Eternal Father, and yet all in heaven have a Father already, Jehovah, and angels and anointed are called Jesus brothers, “sons of the True God” and the anointed:

(Hebrews 2:11) . . .For both he who is sanctifying (Jesus) and those who are being sanctified (144000) all stem from one (Jehovah), and for this cause he is not ashamed to call them “brothers”..

And these 144000 are intimately involved in the removal of death, therefore Satan, by this “brotherhood”:

(Romans 16:20) . . .For his part, the God who gives peace will crush Satan under YOUR feet shortly. May the undeserved kindness of our Lord Jesus be with YOU.

(Hebrews 2:14-16) 14 Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives. 16 For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.

And the assistance he notes is NOT to angels, but to the Abrahamic seed of the nations, but that “flesh” is overridden by “faith”:

(Romans 4:11) . . .that he might be the father of all those having faith. . .

Just to note the “Abrahamic seed” is not limited as it was in bringing about Jesus Christ Last Adam to flesh, by this point in human history in that 1000 year reign, Last Adam will be Abraham’s father by Abraham’s faith, that this “seed” must recover all things given to him, back to Abel, replacing the death, Adam.

(1 Corinthians 15:22) . . .For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive.

And knowledge and wisdom will be the Wonderful Counselors riches to mankind:

(Colossians 2:2-3) . . .be harmoniously joined together in love and with a view to all the riches of the full assurance of [their] understanding, with a view to an accurate knowledge of the sacred secret of God, namely, Christ. 3 Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge.

(Proverbs 15:33) . . .The fear of Jehovah is a discipline toward wisdom, and before glory there is humility.

(Job 28:28) . . .And he went on to say to man, ‘Look! The fear of Jehovah—that is wisdom, And to turn away from bad is understanding.’”

(Psalm 111:10) . . .The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom. All those doing them have a good insight.. . .

(Proverbs 2:5) . . .in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God.

(Proverbs 9:10) . . .The fear of Jehovah is the start of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Most Holy One is what understanding is.

(John 17:1-4) . . .Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.

(Habakkuk 2:14) . . .For the earth will be filled with the knowing of the glory of Jehovah as the waters themselves cover over [the] sea.

Death Waters Removed:

We may note these death waters are obviously removed as shown cursed in Revelation:

(Revelation 8:10-11) . . .And the third angel blew his trumpet. And a great star burning as a lamp fell from heaven, and it fell upon a third of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters. 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood. And a third of the waters turned into wormwood, and many of the men died from the waters, because these had been made bitter.

(Revelation 16:4-7) . . .And the third one poured out his bowl into the rivers and the fountains of the waters. And they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel over the waters say: “You, the One who is and who was, the loyal One, are righteous, because you have rendered these decisions, 6 because they poured out the blood of holy ones and of prophets, and you have given them blood to drink. They deserve it.” 7 And I heard the altar say: “Yes, Jehovah God, the Almighty, true and righteous are your judicial decisions.”

And also false teachers are noted as having “no water”:

(2 Peter 2:17-19) . . .These are fountains without water, and mists driven by a violent storm, and for them the blackness of darkness has been reserved. 18 For they utter swelling expressions of no profit, and by the desires of the flesh and by loose habits they entice those who are just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error. 19 While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are existing as slaves of corruption. . . .

(Jeremiah 2:13) . . .‘because there are two bad things that my people have done: They have left even me, the source of living water, in order to hew out for themselves cisterns, broken cisterns, that cannot contain the water.’

(Isaiah 58:11) . . .And Jehovah will be bound to lead you constantly and to satisfy your soul even in a scorched land, and he will invigorate your very bones; and you must become like a well-watered garden, and like the source of water, the waters of which do not lie.

Other interesting prophecies, and the mention of “trees”.

(Isaiah 61:3) . . .they must be called big trees of righteousness, the planting of Jehovah, for [him] to be beautified.

(Ezekiel 47:6-12) . . .At that he said to me: “Have you seen [this], O son of man?” Then he had me walk and had me return [to] the bank of the torrent. 7 When I returned, why, look! on the bank of the torrent there were very many trees, on this side and on that side. 8 And he went on to say to me: “This water is going forth to the eastern region and must go down through the Ara·bah. And it must come to the sea. It being brought forth into the sea itself, [its] water is also actually healed. 9 And it must occur that every living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life. And it must occur that there will be very many fish, because there is where this water will certainly come, and the [seawater] will be healed, and everything will be alive where the torrent comes. …

 12 “And alongside the torrent there will come up, along its bank on this side and on that side, all sorts of trees for food. Their leafage will not wither, nor will their fruitage be consumed. In their months they will bear new fruit, because the water for them—it is coming forth from the very sanctuary. And their fruitage must prove to be for food and their leafage for healing.”

 

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Now, oops.. very important! Thanks for mentioning this. This is one of the things that I fully disagree with the current view of GB upon this. Lol, making predictions about who will be resurrected and who will not. No,no lets avoid this, making a full turn of 180degrees, I dont dare doing this. Only God knows hearts, he is the judge. We must not take what belongs to God.

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Yes the judging will be administered by God through Christ and the 144000, AFTER the 144000 are incorruptible and perfect, LOL, not before, LOL. But I think in public print, the “bar” has to be kept as high as possible, because once we start getting relaxed and complacent messages, humans will have the tendency to procrastinate and also become sluggish in staying wide awake. So I understand why the worst case scenario is presented. And then too, it is Jehovah’s undeserved kindness and power that aids any Christian in actually repenting and carrying on what Jesus began, so even the 144000 Paul said it is a “free gift”, that no man may boast, it was not according to you, he said, but it is a gift:

(Ephesians 2:8-10) 8 By this undeserved kindness, indeed, YOU have been saved through faith; and this not owing to YOU, it is God’s gift. 9 No, it is not owing to works, in order that no man should have ground for boasting. 10 For we are a product of his work and were created in union with Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared in advance for us to walk in them.

So that shows good works are a result of the work of God, so we would be repentant, and focused on “good works”, but the sacrifice is what saves, until the true perfection, in either class is reached. Of course it makes sense God would empower the heavenly class first, no way are earthlings going to lead ourselves out of this 6000 year old, deep, complex mess that affects the entire creation of all life.

And I have seen in print where the GB have been very lenient, even inferring in a couple examples, that “innocent bystanders” in the GT will be saved by the kindness they show to Jesus sheep in those times. In fact they wonder why they are even saved, they say “when did we see you naked and clothed you?”. Recently they said as well, “only the incorrigibly wicked will be destroyed at Har-Magedon.

But let’s not get comfortable, we have to stay on our toes and be awake to not get that human system worship 666. That is the big determinant of destruction in Revelation, and even with the “holy ones” at that time, they must come of victorious free of the meaning of that number. It is a political, human system, war, social mix of things that draw people’s worship to the wildbeast. I mean look at the US elections, the very temple of the wildbeast, the people surrounding these primaries are fanatical political sheep. And yet, all those nation-state politicians, all they speak about is carrots to wave in constituent faces, and which band-aids to apply to the terminal patient’s brain tumors, it is all just a facade, the big system global powers are not remotely affected by their own scripted nation-state play and all the puppets are picked, placed and attached to higher powers. So gotta avoid that sham, and it is in every country.

But on judging as well in imperfect humans, with human judging, who really can examine maybe 10 or 15 billion people that have existed? Who is going to meet a billion people and ask in the next world, “hey, per chance did you live in Sodom?”. It is so complex in number depth and time, humans don’t have to worry about who is judged what as far as total stranger are concerned, people will be informed of what we need to know as time goes along, we didn’t even know these people most people are judging. Generically yes some will live, some will die, that is up to the Righteous Judge, not us poor humans LOL, we cannot rightfully even judge ourselves, we do not have the depth of wisdom, and all the informational intelligence of all the circumstances and the very nature of the creation of the human being itself, to know even how to judge such a thing. We can’t even judge a dog properly, in reality, LOL. Gotta love it!

But now they are in agreement, it appears that some in Sodom may stand up in the judgment. They updated since the old view.

And with regard to the sheep and goats illustration, they leave it open as far as those seemingly surprised “sheep” who Jesus says “because you did it to the least one of these, my brothers, you did it to me”

Watchtower 95 10/15 p. 28 pars. 23-24 What Future for the Sheep and the Goats? ***
Many are exposed to our message as we preach from house to house or informally. Others may learn of Jehovah’s Witnesses and what we represent in ways unknown to us. When judgment time arrives, to what extent will Jesus consider community responsibility and family merit? We cannot say, and it is pointless to speculate. (Compare 1 Corinthians 7:14.) Many now turn a deaf ear, ridicule, or share in outright persecution of God’s people. Hence, this is a crucial time; such ones may be developing into those whom Jesus will judge as goats.—Matthew 10:22; John 15:20; 16:2, 3; Romans 2:5, 6.

24 Happily, though, many respond favorably, study God’s Word, and become Witnesses of Jehovah. Some who at present seem goatlike may change and become like sheep. The point is that those responding and actively supporting the remnant of Christ’s brothers are thereby now giving evidence that will provide a basis for them to be placed on Jesus’ right hand when, in the near future, he sits down on his throne to render judgment. These are being and will continue to be blessed. Thus, this parable should spur us on to more zealous activity in the Christian ministry. Before it is too late, we want to do all we can to proclaim the good news of the Kingdom and in that way give others the opportunity to respond. Then it is up to Jesus to render judgment, condemnatory or favorable.—Matthew 25:46.

(Matthew 25:34-40) 34 “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, YOU who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for YOU from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and YOU gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and YOU gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and YOU received me hospitably; 36 naked, and YOU clothed me. I fell sick and YOU looked after me. I was in prison and YOU came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to you?’ 40 And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.’

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Adam and Eve.. well to be sincere I dont hate them the way I hate an evil criminal who does not respect life. I mean Im aware of the terrible thing they did, bringing death and destruction upon mankind(is there anything worst?), but they were fooled…did not really want to bring the curse upon them and their children. They were not like Satan who only thinks how to kill and destroy. Did you get what I tried to say? Im talking about the intention, the ‘inside’.
I know they were ‘perfect’ and some people say they had no excuse to sin , but yet they sinned, it was possible for them and it could be another in the place of Adam or Eve! Satan also sinned and he was not a mortal man. Anyway, God gives a second chance to all people that really deserve it. I really dont know about Adam or the people of Sodom or..or.. Lol, I prefer to leave the judgement upon the High Judge.’Dont know’ is the better answer.
Im this kind of man who is very ‘maudlin’(is this the right word, I searched vocabulary), people may laught for this, but I know that everything is possible for God. 

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Don’t know any more than is in the bible, we are talking a 900+ year life with no indication of repentance, the further they went into Satan, the more their attitude became his attitude. I do know that Adam of that first man body, is not capable of restoration it is where the death originated in that sin, in that former form, hence Last Adam is necessary, Christ did not die for nothing, but for everything. I teach that to myself as well, because it is beyond understanding, as far as anything past what we do know about Adam’s offspring, they can bypass the Adamic man to Last Adam. Can’t look back to Adam and Satan’s collusion in a lie, though Satan was the instigator, a sin did transpire in humankind, a bad curse resulted and demons took over.

But we know a few things:

Adam was not fooled, Satan worked through the woman first, the one with less experience, that is why he targeted her first, alone, she was fooled:

(1 Timothy 2:14) . . .Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression.

(2 Corinthians 11:3) . . .But I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, YOUR minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.

(Romans 5:14) . . .Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come.

Eve is the one I wonder more about, due to the deception. Though God does what he wants, for now I do not ever teach anything but that Adam can never be sinless even in his offspring anymore, he siined, lost the blessing, and lost the rights in the long run, the flesh of Adam is irreparably dead, hence Last Adam:

(Romans 8:6-9) . . .For the minding of the flesh means death, but the minding of the spirit means life and peace; 7 because the minding of the flesh means enmity with God, for it is not under subjection to the law of God, nor, in fact, can it be. 8 So those who are in harmony with the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, YOU are in harmony, not with the flesh, but with the spirit, if God’s spirit truly dwells in YOU. . . .

I say this because many people think no effort is required, but in fact there is need of freewill cooperation with God’s spirit even in perfect form, Jesus was perfect and heavily relied on prayer and spiritual connection to God, and he was God’s son, if he needs it all men need it now, and in the like perfection. Now especially us sinners, we really have to make the effort, and I deal with people that I try to demonstrate from the bible that Last Adam is the only way back to the blessing, and this Adamic flesh we all have, is the obstacle, and I don’t mean death to the spirit world is necessary as in people’s immortal soul illusions, but death is necessary in repentance, even in the symbolic way as well as the literal (for some), yet some like the great crowd do not die physically (on continued obedience), but in either case to those in Christ this applies:

(Romans 6:5-7) . . .For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall certainly also be [united with him in the likeness] of his resurrection; 6 because we know that our old personality was impaled with him, that our sinful body might be made inactive, that we should no longer go on being slaves to sin. 7 For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.

In other words true repentance into Jesus Christ is like death (the baptism symbol), if we die to ourselves, but live to Christ even while alive, the sin is acquitted, the sacrifice is made real as a covering in atonement in that repentance by faith, baptism is the symbol of our dedication. Though that applies in the “first resurrection” to the anointed, what are resurrection of the righteous faithful “other sheep” resurrected into Adam? No, they will share Jesus likeness in the flesh they must be born into Last Adam even in the 1000 year resurrections of the righteous/unrighteous, there is no point resurrecting people with impaired brains, and imperfect bones, crooked teeth, tweaked eyes, imbibed death waiting to happen, natural inclination to sin, etc. Plus their is no being born twice into Adam, he is one life, one death. Jesus to is one life, but no death, so that life is what he is giving to earthly resurrected humans.

Jesus purchases these lives from the grave to continue into his life, not Adam’s death. That is why willful repetitive sin, or practice of evil to incorrigibility is not Adamic death in that second birth resurrection on earth, it is second death. The sacrifice is not for endless sin, but for repenting towards actual perfection, in either call. Even now it is a possibility:

(Hebrews 10:26) . . .For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left. . .

Plus even the life Adam gives, is temporary, people like Adam, eventually died. That is the full expiration of all the time period Adam can provide, no man lived a full 1000 year day.

And Adam has a “resident”:

(Romans 7:16-20) . . .However, if what I do not wish is what I do, I agree that the Law is fine. 17 But now the one working it out is no longer I, but sin that resides in me. 18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for ability to wish is present with me, but ability to work out what is fine is not [present]. 19 For the good that I wish I do not do, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. 20 If, now, what I do not wish is what I do, the one working it out is no longer I, but the sin dwelling in me.

See that? This sin “resides” in the flesh, it “dwells” in us. The bible does not mince words, this death is in us, the Adamic one that is not covered by Jesus life, what is covered is the sin, and that leads not to another Adamic life by forgiveness to repeat the same old grind to sin and death, but into Last Adamic life. Jesus lifeblood and body sacrifice has life “dwelling” in it, it has “righteousness” residing in it, it has the full potential and opportunity to live forever. He surrendered his life, not the Adamic death, the sacrifice to God, for ransom payment out of death of Adam, with a new life. the Adam one is so dead, it must even pass fully out of his offspring, hence Jesus becoming Eternal Father of humanity to replace Adam. So Jesus also has a super basis for all nations in him, just as Adam had.

Yet even that healing of the 1000 years, I do not know exactly what that entails obviously being imperfect man myself, and the bible is an overview, though detailed, obviously not the exact divine reality is explained to us limited humans in the depth of what will actually take place is divine miracles, divine re-creative works, the true meaning of “all things made new”. I know the river of the water of life and the trees with the crops of fruit, CURE the nations a “month” at a time. So behavioral things still must be mastered. Like if our bodies were healed into Last Adam, in this system we would be like Jesus body, but with no true knowledge of how to maintain perfection, we never have actually “known” God as Adam and Jesus had. So it appears the earth system, the animals, the system of how to do it right from God’s guidance, must be perfected along with mankind in more than just body, and that sacrifice seems to diminish in being even necessary at some point, since when people have no sin, they need no blood covering, and that direct relationship Adam had, and Jesus maintained with Jehovah, can be a reality. A reality the Devil will be determined to break as he did with Adam and Eve. So he has tested only 2 perfect men, the rest of humanity were under a great disadvantage.

So it is going to take a true commitment to the process, and I see the focus on Last Adam Jesus Christ, keeps man moving past Adam, staying in the world, and even in the inaccurate church ideas, keeps people stuck at a point, or focusing on things that are irrelevant in what is really happening, and what is really necessary just to get into day one of the 1000 year reign. But is is undeserved kindness, and those who are nailing the accurate knowledge, have a great advantage, that is NOT dependent on perfect performance, it has literally a free ticket, dependent only on maintaining a repentance completing, and developing the love for God for providing this great gift.

It’ll be a process in any event. And it will require real effort to leave the past behind. And to me leaving Adam behind, is the deepest past to leave behind. Humans leaving that behind totally as it becomes real in the 1000 years. And that is why I think the bible leaves it at that reality, Adam lost the image of God, Christ recovered it, Adam lost the blessing, Adam lost the subjection of the creation into ruin, and he lost the “subdue the earth and fill it” in death, Jesus Last Adam Christ recovered all that FOR GOD, and FOR HIMSELF and for mankind’s living benefit, and for the animals and the whole creation.

Yes he will share it, but is God going to reward any failure with the “Kingdom of the World” (Rev11:15-18), when he was in perfect “image of God” form? Not likely, because then Christ died for nothing, and that regaining of the “image of God” for humans had hell to go through to get it back, Jesus died a horrible death, and lost his life (but regained it), and that means he has received also the full reward of perfect performance, so he is not under undeserved kindness, and of course he doesn’t boast anyways. The reality is he performed flawless missions for God in everything he did, and that is what God will reward him with; what Adam threw away. Sure it is undeserved kindness for us, but Jesus bought us that privilege by perfect performance, he took undeserved unkindness, undeserved curse, to get this undeserved kindness for humans. And for a further objective, being perfect someday in the future.

That is what undeserved kindness is trying to lead man to, perfection of performance eventually, to withstand the final temptation of Satan, and get the reward as well, that is why Jesus is this great human example to replace Adam’s example and image. It’s not just the blood sacrifice Jesus came for, but also as a human perfect model to follow as an example.

(1 Peter 2:21) 21 In fact, to this course YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely.

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I had a general look.You correctly point that resurrecting a man who has already died the second death(according to God), just to kill him/her again… is ridiculous. If he/she has been already judged, why is he/she judged twice? I dont disagree, its completely no sense. Yes, I would put 1000 LOLS. I dont want to sound rude but this would indicate that people had to do with a paranoid man-made figure who would surely be not the Creator! So I think ‘judgement’ in Daniel refers to these who will be given a second chance but will be proven unworthy(yes, not to a direct event)

Yes, that “paranoia” started in Eden:

(Genesis 3:11) . . .At that he said: “WHO told you that you were naked? . . .

The mysterious WHO.

Well from that entry, we can bet who that who was that told Adam and Eve they were naked, the guilt complex had taken root. Then fear, the shame, the denial, and one emotion compounded into others, and we have lack of peace, lack of ease, dis-ease, disease. And who knows the true depth of the changes that occurred in the human body, which have spread into all mankind, and into the very life systems in the earth and all life here.

Temporarily that is.

But fear truly was the first new emotion, not a good emotion in itself, then the shame that caused them to fear and hide from God. Guilt was in them, they knew it. And that has continued in the offspring, it comes in the “package” at birth.

So as you say, that morbidity and lack of understanding simple justice, it was easy for demons to haunt men with these things for ages. The fear of death is the key to Satan’s controlling man:

(Hebrews 2:14-15) . . .through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil; 15 and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives.

(Job 2:3-5) . . .Even yet he is holding fast his integrity, although you incite me against him to swallow him up without cause.” 4 But Satan answered Jehovah and said: “Skin in behalf of skin, and everything that a man has he will give in behalf of his soul. 5 For a change, thrust out your hand, please, and touch as far as his bone and his flesh [and see] whether he will not curse you to your very face.”

So it provides the coercive power to aid Satan’s lie.

And you are right, even Isaiah points to the fact some just won’t learn or appreciate the situation:

(Isaiah 65:20) 20 “No more will there come to be a suckling a few days old from that place, neither an old man that does not fulfill his days; for one will die as a mere boy, although a hundred years of age; and as for the sinner, although a hundred years of age he will have evil called down upon him.