I will write down some things where Im in disagreement with teachings of the GB. These are my sincere opinions and surely not infallible. Feel free to disagree even with all of them. Lol. Were here to examine opinions and get a balanced view.
1) Salvation wont come unless you join a religious group. There will be a time where it would be too late for these outside the door of the Ark. Also, you must teach the others in order to be saved.
My opinion
Is it bad to be in the ekklesia of JWs? No! Is it bad to teach the Bible and Kingdom of Jesus? No! But the Bible doesnt say that you are saved thanks to these. It says salvation is not by works but by faith. Faith to the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus saves. He opened the road for salvation. The whole ‘First Coming’ of Jesus has to do with the plan of salvation. Lol, he didnt come just to talk about his Second Coming, but mainly to sacrifice himself for us. There will always be unfaithful people inside the ekklesia. Just because they are there it doesnt mean theyre saved. Yopu dont get extra points for salvation if you teach in the road. You are doing this because you love your fellow man and because you love Jesus. You are not doing this in order to be saved.
Very true, some miss the point, one thing comes first: Only in Jesus Christ by faith is salvation, the salvation provided by Jehovah.
Like Paul said if it was law, or wisdom, and we could actually perform and know it, then Christ died for nothing. But the point, or atleast a huge point of Jesus death, was that of personality, he was displaying the kind of person God approves. But also the kindness, thet hey, we are not that kind of person perfectly yet, so we have the covering in blood, that that kind of person provided, it was not a given as well first, first it is an undeserved kindness, THEN a free gift, so we won;t think we are somehow entitled, there was nothing in our power that brought this forth, just as the sin of Adam is beyond our power to change, God is giving in the same way, a supra-human advantage from an external source, because what is burying us in Adam,. CANNOT be overcome by us alone, just as Adam did not sin on his own, yes ot was freewill, but an older evil origin, Satan, preceded in sin, the sin of man. That is external to us, but the humans brought it into our reality.
So that salvation as I try to show, is first, by faith in Jesus blood.
But what do we do then? We appreciate it. Paul knew he was not saving himself, yet he preached to the extreme, some are like that. But Paul appreciated what Jesus did for him. First off, Jesus could have just well beheaded him when he encountered him, he could have turned Saul to ashes, he had every right to, Saul was involved in MURDER of Jesis brothers, like a Gestapo he was looking to go even further in his huntings of Christians, he wanted extra authority, he was extra zealous for what he perceived was right.
Well, LOL, Jesus set him straight did he not?? LOL.
So think about it, you know you have been party to the killings of brothers, susters and families, desecrating their homes, killing their pets, pillaging there belongings, and you have this imprinted in you, horrific acts due to ones own notion of holiness and abomaination – Saul had these memoriesw, he KNEW what was up, but he acted in faithlessness to reality, he was self-right.
Now think when you meet the Power of these murdered ones. Saul, why? Why are you persecuting ME?????
That guy had cold water and shock poured over his heart, he was expecting for sure, man, this is it, big mistake, confusion, what in the… but…
But instead Jesus reasoned with him and sent Saul off and they guided him like a blind man – there had to be some heavy thinking going on in Saul’s head. So Saul, really Paul now, Jesus eternally removed the hissssss, from his name, LOL, but Paul sat blind for 3 days – thinking and thinking.
Can you imagine what was going through that guys head? Like a free fall, everything he thought was right, was utterly wrong wrong wrong, he killed people out of his own mistaken zeal to be Mr. Holy Man. Can we imagine the guilt, shame, confusion, rewinding in the head a whole life time to say “where in the heck did I go so wrong?”, to replay in the mind the words of people who told him the truth as he led them away, to re-hear their words and to say “Jesus, they were speaking the truth, why did I not listen to them???” Why???
Let me tell you, I can only try to imagine 3 days of anguish, then maybe hope, then total shock again, the revisiting many thoughts, many scenes in the head, this guy had no appetite, didn’t even drink water, was in blinded and black full concentration for 3 days of what just befell him, meeting that angel that led his own people to salvation, yet here he was killing these brothers, disgust with oneself, I can assure you, and not in a short dialogue like this, but 3 solid days, and then who knows how long, but months and months this changed his life, his thinking, his very concept of reality. He had to question his whole basis of why he believed what he believed, which most people, minus a brilliant angel, resist and resist. No doubt Paul went through quite an inner upheavel. What do I tell the boss? LOL. I quit!
Mind blowing.
So the preaching, or doing good to others, or the fruit of the lips sacrifices to God, are all just appreciation. Paul as an example surely knew, nothing I can do, could EVER repay this Person, this Being from first off not just exterminating me on the spot, but also having mercy, and also of course being the actual savior that no doubt Paul appreciated, but his knowledge was misled, he knew his stuff, but was inaccurate in where to direct it. What to think? Here I was murdering his friends, and now he has mercy on me? What’s going on? We know Paul did not immediately jump into his ministry, he did some year long soul searching no doubt. But Jesus treatment of him, definitely left an impression we even ssay today, “he saw the light”, LOL.
So all the works we do from faith, as Jesus and the apostles laid the patterns, is out of appreciation of the reality that we are going to be doing this forever, not always to convince people, but this guy Jesus Christ now spirit God Mighty, is the center of our lives, no need looking back, no need going fishing for fish again as Peter tried, and Jesus comforted him, and re-aligned his thinking to feed the sheep. These were men just like you and I are just human. Jesus is fully aware first off, eternal death is in us from Adam, even if we died, and we pay the penalty, we are not coming back WITHOUT the purchase Jesus made, his life sacrifice, not Adam’s, is what is extending the true opportunity to have life in Jesus, not Adam, so then we have personal sin – but Jesus is buying us out of death, the dead are his. So we are double done in, Adam our father in the flesh, and we ourselves have sinned, no getting by Jesus Christ, LOL, he wants to have a few conversations with us in person at some point – he didn’t do all this to be a distant entity, he is coming for dinner, LOL. In “person” even to humans, he is capable of communicating in many ways, but he loves us, he is not bypassing his purchase so easily, if we are willing.
So from the milk, to the veggies, to the meat, and onward we grow, and before you know it we are not preaching. LOL, I don’t preach, really, this is just what I talk about now, it is me, it is the truth if many truths, that they all fit into, it became reality to me to the point not one worldly subject or development do I see, that does not fit into the truth, even if it is evil or benign, everything realtes to the truth, from Genesis to Revelation, it widens out to include fish and seas, and dogs and trees, and stars and food, wine and beer, whiskey and people, all the struggles, all the deatn and misery, all the hope, and all the hopelessness that man has trying to do it alone, with invented gods and demons, etc, all things relate to Adam, and all things are now being re-related eternally within Last Adam, this is the solution, it’s going to happen no matter what, and after we get past self-condemnation, well then! there is no bounds, we are our own worst enemy, Adam was his own worst enemy, Satan is his own worst enemy. Once we can vanquish the enemy within, doubt, self-condemnation and lukewarmness, and we can because we have an external power, then we progress, we come to see that God is fully, completely aware of out TRUE dead condition, way beyond what we can percieve, he could hold us on 1000 things for very 1 thing we condemn ourselves for, LOL.
So we might as well give up the self-abuse, and just believe in the enormity of the price he paid, it is far more than we are worth now, but we can actually become that value later, relatively speaking. We are an old clunker car, rusty, pulls to the left, dented, bad gas milaeage if we even run, exhaust, just an eye sore. But God is taking that old clunker car, and restoring it to a flawless inter-stellar flying machine of perfection, whether in re-birth, or in perfect mental expansion to do things with the mind that no human body can do, to the point Paul, with just a fringe glimpse, said, that man, in the body or out of the body? I’M NOT SURE!!!! We see the mind is much more powerful than it physically appears to be in the brain, in the mind you can visit world’s and heavens AS IF you are there, so intense, Daniel was laid low by the energy expended – we have not tapped 1% of the mind power in humans, don’t believe that 10% guess, the human mind is as infinite as it’s maker, it can visit, not live in, but visit heaven. It has, Daniel and John and Paul and others visited realms related to heaven, that some call “visions”, and they can be, but they depict a very real reality at times, like the place Paul visited.
So that is the reality, might as well talk about it! LOL. Eternity is a reality. Satan is finite, this world is limited, what is coming, even after you are here 2 billion years, what is ahead of you is still eternal knowledge and endless, endless new experience, the unfathomable Everlasting God and his family of eternal everlasting good natured, beings, and both realms are far more related than people can imagine immediately, heaven is not bound by space or time, distance is not a reality to it’s actions or power, and neither is time, it is the seat of the creation of those realities, yet they themselves are not nearly understood by humans, even angels are at a loss for the fullness of all that these things totally are, they are eternities within and around eternities of eternties. Takes time, and Jesus has given access to that “time”. Time and anything that has happened on this earth, are of no limitation to Jehovah. So, truly all things can be “made new”.
So we can be patient with ourselves and others, this grandness is barely, barely getting revealed now, might as well be patient, and in one day at a time speed, just move with it in this direction, because where we have a full view in concept of where it is going, and who is doing it, it will “arive” at, and that is just the beginning, every day is a beginning, but this world, it’s limitation of course cannot stand in the way much longer. It has no true future, it is in a fantasy since Eden.
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But as you know I don’t push the religion thing, I push the faith it is presenting, it is a boot camp, not everyone wants to be forced into boot camp, and so they cannot be, they gather interest, and really by prayer they ascertain the truth’s power as well, something is pushing us, just like with Paul (an extreme and personal push) we are compelled. But what does it, and I have seen it, is studying, even if no dedication, or even association is made, people grab books, or get the CD, and they just read, and everyone else’s accounts, as they have expounded many weavings of exemplifying for people in illustrations and principles, many many details in the bible that all intertwine as needed, so that David’s sin for example, was also shown in Peter’s weakness, these merciful examples of Jehovah and Jesus treatment of sinners are for our faith, because we can be self-condemning, but what use is mercy with Jehovah, without the worst case scenarios to demonstrate it upon. So God candidly recorded the worst case scenarios, his own anointed and apostles had failings, serious ones.
We can’t say, oh they were so good, Jehovah excused them, the opposite, no they were not evil, but they repented, and they had faith, and God counted it as righteousness, even in David’s case, he was purchased later. So people read these things, they read there bible, they see their own life’s context, they think about this all having to come into existence, as Paul said then why egt stuck in things we are leaving behind? But that takes time, because those things are beheld, these things coming are not, they have to be installed in our heads, and the bible is the core vision of the future. Then after more study, and more meditation, and more bible reading, prayer, day to day this and that, it’s a personal thing, the more it is viuslized, eventually hey, I can be a part of a history, that is everlasting, I can take part in a once in a lifetime testimony, to the one who came and went through all this, to see who would also take up the details of his day:
(Isaiah 53:8) 8 Because of restraint and of judgment he was taken away; and who will concern himself even with [the details of] his generation? . . .
Well alot of people do, but we get involved in the detail of why he was murdered, not just the sacrificial end that he delivered up, from a position of superior power to have released himself with a literal wink, but that they took issue with his form of governmental ideas, the kingom, and his foretold position as king, they mocked his kingship, even Herod continued mocking him, the Kingdom issue was at the deeper questions as well from Pilate, he asked him if he was a King, then after hearing the “God’s son” spoken by the accusers, he requestioned him, his wife’s dream of course also had an effect. Pilate was caught up in the politics, we know he tried to release him, he washed his blood onto the Jews and said “you see to that”, he was made aware, even in doubt, that divine royalty, kingship and kingdom were themes running around in the accusations of his accusers. In fact it was sopronounced, to mick the Jews, Pilate put the King of the Jews inscription to irk them a lttle, to which they said, No, but that he said he was the King of the Jews, at which Pilate said, what I have written is what I have written.
So, that is the king we await, and given he set the pattern, and that his issue is real, it is alive in this world, all these nations are trying to rule the world at one time or another, or the earth they can control in a region, and in so doing they have had to be party unto a union just to preserve their own sovereignty, that is all they care about, and in so doing, they have delivered their “power and authority” to something far worse than they could imagine. So the issue of “kingdom” or government, is a burning issue on earth. The masses may not apprehend it as clearly as those in the actual power lust. So that endless squabble of the nations, even locally to regionally as they have for millenniums been involved with, has no solution among mankind. If the brick of the society, the basic family, the basic neighbor to neighbor peace cannot be had, how in their own name are they ging to rule a world? LOL, it is ridiculous, it is no cure, it is a disaster in the making, for we cannot even rule our own hearts, we have to control ourselves, before we could ever think about “controlling” others, and if we did control ourselves, then there is no need to control others, control of others springs from the sin of Eden, it springs from Satan’s desire to control others. And yet, he cannot control himself. OH the irony.
But, keep studying, keep reading NEVER get cut off from the bible, and writings of tru faith leading to the meat of the situation, the true issues which man cannot resolve, but are the core of jesus ministry, not just talking about the kingdom this and that, but what it will do, you know, seeing the reality of it, and the reality of it’s needed intervention into the affairs of the planet, and that it is very very real, it bides it’s time, but it’s final extension of authority, to follow Satan down here and abyss him, and th peripheral taking of the earth, started in satan’s casting, and it WILL finish the job. This is a kind period of God, were he knows people will be drawn to him, by the very effects of Satan’s “woe to the earth” phase. You see, once again, Jehovah is taking a very evil and serious situation, and using Satan’s own evil, to wake people up that this is very very real, and progressive since obviously WW1, that was a massive world signal that we are on the “eve of destruction”. That cancer, a destructive partnership of war+bank_profiteering, guarantees the compounded expansion since WW1, grew obviously by WW2, and that being 70 approx. years ago, imagine the enormity of what s truly stored up now, it is Armageddon proportion human madness, and it will NOT stop itself, it must be put to the divine sword, only God and that super-kingdom power can end this progression of insanity, operating in plain sight, but crazy none-the-less. People do not really realize, well some of them, the true seriousness that all this weaponry and systems poses to life on earth, it is very very dangerous, and just button pushes and mouse-clicks away from release.
So remember just associating does not mean anyone has to do anything they do not want to do. If the full JW count came in today, there are over 10 million, they only count “active” publishers, yet some congregations have many “inactive”, well good, hope they keep showing up, because everyone has a different gift, some people are just more timid than others, others are more “extrovertable” than others, but they all get that holy spirit in that communal request for it. So many take it slow, they keep reading regularly the bible and positive explanation and examples of expounding the scriptures, and that is spiritual food, gotta read the bible, it is a must to stay spiritually aware in the day to day mindset, plus prayer, it does work, it is an extension cord we already are connected to through Jesus Christ to Jehovah, to both, and prayer is the on-switch for extra power, comfort, wisdom, teaching, whatever one wants according to his will, he will receive and Jesus said keep on asking, keep at it keep at it make it habitual conversations with God through Jesus Christ.
So we blow on by, doubt will come, but this reality will also come as well. One day at a time, one day at a time. LOL
2)’Second coming’ is a phrase used by Christendom
My opinion
So what? The Bible uses the word ‘coming’. Will Christendom deny to us, to use what the Bible says? Christendom can use it, we can use it.
Yeah, that one is no big issue to me, understanding the fullness of the meaning is though. What is an issue was what John called “the sign seen in heaven” – an invisible sign seen by some, not all. By not explaining the extrnded meanings in that parousia word, some expect an unmistakable visual manifestation of Jesus Kingdom as his “return”, yet Jesus said:
(Luke 17:20-21) . . .But on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them and said: “The kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness, 21 neither will people be saying, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’
As I try to show here, the solid proof for those who doubt the 1914 chronology (as well as the ‘presence’, that he has come), is that “woe to the earth” MUST be concurrent with Jesus kingdom power being officially divinely established, he is indeed doing what God says: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies”
And that is at a key Davidic prophecy concerning this very event, a “great sign seen in heaven”, but the world, well it went by like a theif in the night. So this “last days of the last days” is easily seen in the human progression from just WW1, this is real, man is climaxing to the final showdown.
The concurrency of rule:
Jesus and Satan’s Rulerships are Concurrent During “Woe to the Earth”
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TQLBM3C9PEPN375IH
Seven Seals: God’s Kingdom/”Woe to the Earth” (Rev6 and Rev12 Perfect Circle)
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/T6VA22FTE4VK5KIIS
So that little subtlety is made clear that his extension from that period of Rev12 “coming”, at Armageddon, will be clearly noticed, I mean earth shaking, but for now we must realize that Jesus assumes power clearly in Rev6 and Rev12, also as Satan brings “woe to the earth”, Satan’s mayhem, like the 3 demon horses of Rev6 coming forth after Jesus begins his ride, FOLLOWS Jesus empowerment in the spirit heaven, as a great sign, that he is “at the doors”. In fact rev12 is crystal clear that “be glad you heavens!” precedes but “woe to the earth”, AT THE SAME TIME, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, KNOWING he has a “short period of time”.
That “short period” is the one Jehovah is using to bring in the last of the remnant, and the “great crowd” potential faithful people desiring this salvation. So “woe” works to God’s advantage, because awakening people see it is real, if as Jesus said, we “take note”:
(Matthew 24:36-39) 36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; 39 and they TOOK NO NOTE until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
3) You must come to the “Truth”. The “Truth” is the religion of Jws.
My opinion
I have heard this phrase many times and I wondered what it could mean. Then I realized it is used for the doctrine of JWs. Now, I think this is false. There’s not any religion which is infallible. Jesus says Im the Truth. Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe some JWs refer to Jesus.
To me the word “religion”, and in fact in the bible, is never applied to Christians – it’s not in the Greek scriptures, but I understand it’s a descriptive word we can use. It’s just a system of service definition. I call it a defined faith, the true faith of Jesus Christ, all the things to repent from are clearly identified, all the contractual details of God’s covenants, because God is very precise and exacting of course, this undeserved kindness was brought about by two beings, Jehovah first of course, but Jesus as well, by a legal agreement, and precise performance of perfect moral integrity under extreme test, this was not undeserved kindness, Jesus is ALL TIME Champion Undenied (soon with no dissent), Jehovah and him have a precision agreement, he was born under law, he was being evaluated, he was in perfect performance of the Mosaic Law, he did not bend rules, he used mercy, his flexibility did NOT break the law, he got a 10 out of 10 so to speak, not 99.9999, but perfect 10 as an illustration, he is perfection, tested, learned obedience, perfect delivery of said mission and sacrifice, now the reward – so this undeserved kindness was bought at extreme price and effort and legal, Jesus is rightful Mosaic champ. This undeserved kindness is for a further objective, true perfection in both realms of all who were lost (by a Kingdom admin and perfect King-Priest), so we don’t miss the point and get stuck thinking Jesus sacrifice is to cover sin forevermore, or that old heaven escape artist fantasy – heaven will be active over earth, sin is not an everlasting permissible thing, nor is the sacrifice an endless means to remain in Adamic sin. It is not, it is to provide an approximately 1000 year period to transition INTO what Jesus Christ gave in man’s behalf – perfect human body and being – Last Adam for very great reason. Now the blood, covers the sins that will “buy” the time and forgiveness to make this progress possible and realistic for all humanity recovered. That is why repentance is first. Yet, it does not take a prophet to understand that Adam, is dead, he totally has to go (even in our DNA as an illustration), death and sin is INSIDE us
All that Adam can provide is temporary life, one life, one death, then finis, it is over, just like Adam. So even the payment we make, for “he who has died has been acquitted of his sin”. Sure he has, he is now dust, dead, gone, over, the justice is complete, the story is complete, he does not come back, the payment was the very life.
So Jesus extended a new life, not an Adamic life, even the death, if some choose unfaithfulness AFTER this provision is realized, is “second” death, not the death of Adam, a death unto that person, with no sacrificial covering or extension, again, just dead and gone, the life was removed, because obedience equals life, and Jesus knows we are sinners, he knows it will take time to come OUT of Adam, and into a “recreation” so grand, we are coming INTO the actual physical perfection which Last Adam provided in that body. That is why the sacrifice is well identified in scripture as blood AND body, we need both, and the bread AND wine are for a grand reason to become into man’s everlasting future to faithful men and women, all the way back to Abel.
Let’s think real big here, this is a total, total recovery of what Adam lost, that Jesus has attained full rights unto, he has inherited Adam’s kingdom, and all the “subjection” of life under him as at Gen1:28, AND, AND that blessing to become fruitful and many, and fill the earth, and live forever – in obedience.
So the “truth” sort of revolves around this increased awareness of the true story from Genesis to Revelation, you know what I mean? You have a lot of comprehension of things true, that befuddle many people out there.
Look at the church distortion, they are all focused on heaven, heaven, heaven, but missing the purpose of heaven’s Kingdom as regards the Genesis 3 sin, and Gen3:15 seed promise, and the seed elaborated upon through the Abrahamic developments. Now we JWs know, HEY! Earth is involved! Jesus Christ’s physical body which he will make FULLY available, just as Adam made his dead body available, IN FACT REPLACING IT, is nothing to look down upon. There is not a man since Adam, before he sinned, that knows the full glorious power in a truly perfect, sinless human being’s body. Jesus glowed like a sun on the mountain, that was for a reason, but the gist is this Jesus man, is NOT like us. He is human true, born human being, not some incarnation or materialization, this guy is perfect like Adam used to be, BUT he is directly connected to the Almighty Power of Jehovah.
THAT, makes a huge difference, LOL, that is LIFE, and he maintained that life by obeying God. Yes he died, but to God, that body of Jesus is NOT condemned, it is accessible in it’s perfect design, and the means to be able to access it is by blood, forgiveness of sins in this Adamic body, so an earthling in either call, can inherit Jesus spirit body, or his physical body, BOTH are grand creations, in fact both are new man, and “new creation”, but we apply that to his immortality and new sealed role in Jehovah’s purpose, yet, Jesus began that in the flesh as perfect man, that is when he sealed the rights to ALL the covenants, and makes that perfection to become available to other human beings back to Abel. But the heaven power element completion will precede the earthly restoration completion.
4) People worshipped and served Jehovah with a date in mind. They rested all their beliefs in speculations.
My opinion
Now, this statement is not wrong. But who told them to do so? Some people who teached that 1975 is the end. A classical example of blaming the others. Now, these people that made up 1975 should simply ask sorry and repent. Lol, its not a difficult or shameful thing to do. I cant understand why they would like to create a huge scandal by blaming the faithful ones. I really cant understand. Were not infallible, were sinners, huge sinners. Jehovah wants repentance. A reasoning was that it was not prophecy but interpretation and speculation. Now this is another contradiction. JWs are prophets of God, a prophet does not speak of himself giving his own ideas. Anyway, why do we take it to the limits? Lol. We ask sorry, very simple and surely gets accepted. What is not accepted is trying to justify a sin, a mistake, a lie, an error. Why so? Lol. I cant understand
LOL, yes puzzling. What puzzles me is getting stuck as bad on the error, as some did on dates. To me I will try to explain it elsewhere, but yes God has a sense of humor, what I mean is he has to have patience because it was HE, nit us, who agreed to work THROUGH human being, most of them imperfect, but even Jesus Christ the only perfect one was human being! LOL. But the sinner element, the rest of us, LOL, oh man, how God must laugh, in a good way. He knows full well before our birth various trials we will have, as Jeremiah and others were inspired to speak.
So to me, and you’ll know when that section comes up, to me errors are expected. I would worry if there was truly a “perfect organization”, LOL, because then I am dead! LOL, LOL. No, but realistically, look at Israel. Up, down, sideways, over the cliff, YET, what needed to arrive and be completed, arrived and was completed. See what I mean? Even the whole bible Greek portion, look at those people Peter, Paul, John and the rest were counseling and coaching! It’s like a motorcycle gang! Example, “some of you are getting drunk on the Lord’s wine at the memorial, some of you are showing up blasted and eating all the bread and drinking all the wine, what’s up with that?” Let me explain some things… Paul, what a coach! (1Cor 11:17-34)
So, Paul was aware if the reality of the sinful condition, that Romans 6-7, without that candid expose’ of his own condition, I don’t know if we would be talking Christaras, that is how self-condemning I used to be. But Paul summed it up, once repentant as he was too, it is not me, the man inside who loves the “law” that is sinning, but the sin that dwells, since Adam, in me. Not as an excuse for sin, but reality. And Paul mentioned the law, though we are not under it, there is still just plain common sense, we can’t be thieves, we can’t be swindlers and murderers you know? Love’s law encompasses the whole law, so we also can’t perform even the LITE version. We know that, he knows that, so it is truly undeserved kindness, so that maybe, just maybe we would start showing the same mercy to each other, it is for a larning.
But I digress as usual. All this knowledge was still redefined in a nice global reference, the first century apostles died, Christendom went to hell in a hand basket as far as how that got all twisted up, but still, the bible made it out, some in that intervening 1800 years still became truer beings, and still spoke up against all “the detestable things done in Jerusalem” as a picture of Christendom, and like the prophets before these, many died for their conscience against these things, and for pointing it out.
So it is delivered again. No reason to get stuck on anything that becomes like a roadkill to a vulture, and we miss where the road is going to regardless of the dead teaching, or error, it is still coming, maybe not on that come and gone date, obviously, so the date is wrong, the event is not.
And most of that was promoted by people second hand, after the Russell and Rutherford days, they would never state anything anymore as to dates exactly, they would ask questions, is 1975 such and such? Etc. So some weird ricochet was some elders and others started answering rhetorical questions as YES! it’s ending, go get a Cadillac! Yeeeeehhhaaaaah!!! LOL,
But were those men truly in line with the spirit? Not completely, because I admit, if we feel and urgency, it is hard not to say something, but we have to realize even the prophets did not call exact dates for their own use, they IDd a year, a season, events, political developing wildbeasts etc, but even we then are not going to call an exact year, to the best of my knowledge so far – meaning he said no one knows the day or hour and the year dies not seem to be specified either, yet some things are deeply hidden purposely, yet the obvious purpose is that if people did know the year, it would only cause a lackadaisical spirit, God knows that a little “fear” as Jesus even said “you know not when I’m coming” as a warning because Adamic flesh is weak, we need it this way, we would procrastinate even worse . Yet it would not surprise me if it is hidden in there somewhere, but it is not to be revealed at this time if it is. Things are always much easier to see with hindsight, LOL.
So a word to the wise, a tough one to take: “no man knows the day or hour” paraphrase: Not the angels, hey people, I’m Jesus Christ, I DON’T EVEN KNOW at that time. Now? who knows! LOL. But as Jesus stated that time was in the Father’s jurisdiction of knowledge, NO ONE else’s. So we just have to accept it. We see the events that lead up to it as clear as a bell today.
5) There was no ‘whoredom’ with political elements.
My opinion
Another thing where ‘I ask sorry from Jehovah and my brothers’ is needed. I talked about UNO earlier. Now, about political meetings. I heard that they were trying to defend the public preaching and rights of JWs. But the problem is that there was no court, no situation needed to defend yourself like Paul did, it was a VOLUNTARY partnership. I mean, The Beast didnt come to me, went the Beast and asked for rights and his protection. The opposite, which is a bad thing.
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I dont know if I would get an answer writing to the GB about these. Did you get any answer when you sent letters?
I write letters anon. I will let jehovah bring out anything I may say, this year I am doing a very extensive campaign, God willing, of some things I think should be considered, maybe not in a magazine, etc, but by the body, just to be sure they are seeing certain clearly obvious events, that frankly I mean patterns, that are NOT clearly spoken of in the mainstream media, and even in internet sources, these are dots only partially connected, I am connecting them as I see in the bible, and I am not assuming they do not see these things, I am just highlighting nothing new, just details with prophecies for their consideration, I agree with the generic framework we have, it is solid, what I am doing is pointing out certain seemingly disconnected developments, that are actually intimately connected into an “engine cycle”**, so it is not anything new, just arranged to understand it is a loop, that will intensify, even if we know, yes, it will get worse of course, but this is the concept of how and why, and what it is feeding, the Armageddon war engine global (Global NATO in part)
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These rough posts are not as clear as I will make it for them, on this particular issue, that I believe the holy spirit is also of course broadcasting into the true members of the body remnant.
Pay Attention to these 3 Prophecies
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TK2IH5UC4FJGKGV43
Luke21:25-28 – Global Protest (roaring of the “sea”) as Symptom of Sovereignty Transfer
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TM68FBS8256VEQBQJ
Rev17:12-14 – Sovereignty Transfer
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TKTQPE25H2PUL4K7S
UNATO -Global NATO Military Fortress – VERY BIG RED FLAG
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TIV51AUTEC8RCPQ5P
Now, hehe whats important. The problem is that pride is not good. I mean someone could receive pride and try to become a high priest. The prophets of the OT were humble, did not ask people to reject the ekklesia. So no matter, if Im corrent or wrong, I think these things have nothing to do with your belief and salvation. Would prophets of OT reject Jehovah because some kings and priests were unfaithful? Lol, of course no
Yes, I know what you mean. Look at Jesus, the “elders” of the “org” murdered him. Did he lose faith in God? Nope, it’s to be expected actually, obviously, why have such illustrations? But God also delivered those with faith, in that transition into Jesus Christ. So, that is who we see, and yet we aid all the ministry with good intent.
Now the NGO…
I feel I am realistic to answer this, and wish actually I could be in the GB’s range of influence to a slightly different strategy at the blow-back of these mistakes. (I also would like to say, I am not totally familiar with what truly led to this decision, in 1991 less was known as today as regards some dubious use of NGO’s for wildbeast purposes for divisionary tactics, even now, it is just being exposed as far as CIA involvement in NGO’s operating on other countries. Not saying the WTS is involved, just saying the penetrative elements of an org in intelligence will get where they need to get if possible, subterfuge and acting are these guys forte, and they do these things to “keep track” of many organizations, not always to control there actions. So I don’t have all the info to really comment on this, but I can comment on my opinions in hindsight. Also I would see the purpose of this, from the Satanic standpoint, is NOT anything the WTS could offer to the UN for any help or advantage, but as a stumbling block to those who know what we speak about regarding entities such as, but not limited to, the UN. That is the real thing that I would be suspect of, not by intent of the org, but possible influence of some or one with in it, but this is my total speculation I do note.)
Now the NGO thing was just plain bad in my opinion, but maybe they did have some strategy for other things, I do not know, just the plain association, come on men! We are constantly IDing that “abomination”, it is like Paul said, sitting at the idol eating a Tammuz steak, yeah I have no problem with it (the steak), but what about the guy walking by? Well looky over there, a JW up at the UN buffet. Hmmmm.
But realistically, I personally have no problem accessing if I could the Library of Congress in person, or the UN library, or the Kremlin – it would be interesting – doesn’t change what I know about the fact that these will come to nothing. I could even eat at the restaurant if they have one, I could even show respect/honor to the authorities there (not worship), but I could not expect to do such things if someone is stumbled, and the stumbling came with the association on that NGO membership list. That I could see, would be an obvious connectible “implication”, due to the fact we already publicize the UN in negative, yet realistic light, and then to attach to that infamy in such a manner, even of they did not worship it? And that was the thing. Big blowback from this error.
And what is strange to me (on first glance), yet I still respect the GB as far as a “governing body”, I believe predominantly have been brothers in true union with Jesus Christ, maybe a Judas slipped in every now and again, maybe that is the case here, it in itself, as you said, is not going to make me forget all the truth that came through that “body” from Jehovah over 100 years. But what is weird, is they have access to the full UN library, but what do they report? I write more about the UN in one post (at times). So all that research, and yes we still have the basic exposure of who that UN is in Revelation, but all that “research”, and no good expose’ or analysis of something truly useful in the ministry? Then what was the point?
And yet, I am being presumptuous, this is first reaction, because the ” governing body” may very well have ascertained things for personal use as to the developments of the Armageddon situation, so I am assuming here, they may very well have learned much as to something pertaining to something written by the UN, or an elite org whose docs are also available there, that they will not put into print, but just for knowledge of the body for whatever purposes, maybe later, maybe not, I do not really know. What I mean is, definitely some interesting information was discovered, the purpose did not necessarily have to be for an article, but for overall gauging of what is being put into writing lately from the UN and support orgs and groups.
So if it was me, I would apologize, admit the blunder, and re-explain our full position in the flesh as regards any kingdom, we do not hate them, they are “branded symbols”, there is nothing there to hate it is a symbolic, they are composite pictures of many many people, MOST misled, and even them, we do not know the details of the evil, or the good intent, or whatever, in relativity we must respect, and honor these people (like ANY others), not as worship, but that hey, that may very well be a ‘Saul of Tarsus’ there, that as “my people” will come out of Babylon, or even the wildbeast, we cannot tell, so we give the benefit of the doubt to people individually. And even these representations, such as wildbeast, indicate these things are entities, bodies with minds unto themselves, yes composed of many human neurons, but these things CANNOT be controlled by any man, group, nation, or collections of nations. That this 7 headed beast shares 7 heads also with the dragon, there you have the ultimate controller of this bodies, they are super-human conglomerations of many nations, many people, amny groups, multiple global technologies and super-computing, the very intelligence of the thing, is of demon magnitude, well beyond men, yet built by men, yet engineered from other larger intellects, Eph6:12.
But I well know, in generic terms, that the “elite” are a murderous power hungry “group” a broad “group”, with multi-generational blood-wealth, that is the very reason they have amassed fortunes beyond the books, they have truly evil elements interfacing demons, to preserve this wealth and grow it since and before the Romans and others, for the use for which it will be put to today, it is a demon engineered resource pool humans can use true, as tools, etc, but the demons are the ones who oversee those resources since Babel, for their ultimate use and objectives – they are the ones guiding it and engineering it. And as Adam is an illustration, the “elites” are not in anything but deception from Satan – even if twisted around very deep Satanic truths, he does not even tell his own anything more than he needs then to believe to get their services, they do not know what Jws know (and believe it, that’s a key), they do not know what Satan knows in the overall objective, but they do know compartmentalized pieces of what the truth is – even deep deep truths of the demon agenda, what Satan’s main target is. I mean this knowledge also has to be handed forward, Satan’s human “batteries” do die quickly, so that overlapping developmental and operating knowledge must be protected, developed and re-taught. But overall, satan is deceiver, even of his own. So I do while I can, expose the “engines”, the “flowcharts”, the basic concepts of how this operates, and rarely get stuck on group names like Illuminati, masons etc, unless it fits the development. Those things are divisive themselves, and distract people off into worm-holes. Interesting worm-holes it is true, but the big picture is all summed up in Rev13, and Rev17:12-18.
So I try to just ID the big patterns that are obvious when people know the concept of the “engine”, WHY it exists, and HOW it fuels itself, and a true “engine” in this world system, becomes self-fueling by a loop. And of course where it fits into “gathering” the nations, Rev16:13-16, or sucking the “power and authority” out of their nation-state nest eggs. (Rev17:12-18)
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Yet I do not discard the giant complex of truth, and there is more than I know, but I see the big biblical picture, yet the simple picture with faith in God and Jesus is all that is needed, BUT it is written to be revealed, and I cannot ignore the depth that Jehovah brought out through the JWs and GB, and all the faithful who led to this revealing of the “sacred secret” – new we all know it. SO I am going to add to that “faith” page, to say that I have faith in Jehovah’s ability to use imperfect men, to accomplish his will – as with Israel, the apostles, and on to today, it is a true, progressive continuum. And even in the face of a Judas strategy, for we must realize Satan and the demons did not comprehend that this was an immortal kingdom coming into power, they as Jesus told Satan through Peter, “Get behind me Satan, for you think men’s thoughts NOT God’s”. And yes, Satan “eating dust”, has become subject to a limited capacity to not be able to ascertain Jehovah’s complete purpose, he is strangely an earthly focused being, a sort of celestial super-addict to the flesh. So Judas was a tool to destroy Christ. What was Satan thinking? He was thinking what all Jerusalem was thinking, human kingdom. He wasn’t going to sign his own death warrant, but he did, because by that death mortal sinners are the ones under which whose feet, Satan will be crushed. What a humiliation, the very thing he was accusing, that blood bought to be made incorruptible in Jesus upgraded pattern of immortal Mighty God.
Now I know I speculate here, but no one ascertained these things even after Jesus died, for years to the full, but even till after in the simple concept we all understand clearly today. Even the apostles, the 11 who did agree to that covenant did not ascertain immediately what it meant, they were not putting together:
(Luke 24:25-27) . . .So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow in heart to believe on all the things the prophets spoke! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 27 And commencing at Moses and all the Prophets he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.
(1 Corinthians 2:6-10) . . .Now we speak wisdom among those who are mature, but not the wisdom of this system of things nor that of the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing. 7 But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory. 8 This [wisdom] not one of the rulers of this system of things came to know, for if they had known [it] they would not have impaled the glorious Lord. 9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.
So I believe that sacrifice was not perceived by the demons – in the worldly rulers I think Paul was talking no one in their right mind would want to kill God’s son, but as applied to the demons, they had to act from the darkness they are confined to, and that has to do with the knowedge of God’s purpose and how it was brought about, that they were not able to ascertain by that principle Tartarus state they are bound into – a spiritual gloom, they are active, but in the dark as to the divine purpose – even when Jesus came, they were thinking “don’t abyss us”, that was going to be 2000 years later we know, but they were obviously ignorant – so their leader is as well, he is befuddled by the Almighty God time, after time, after time, and so on. They thought Judas entry into the 12 was a foiling of the purpose of God, just as they tried to destroy Jesus as a child, but God turns even bad situations into his purpose, such as the treatment of Joseph by his brothers.
So I believe that Jehovah, faith in him, not that he has faith in any man, but the composite “slave” which is no individual man, what God says that will do, it will do, even if a Judas springs up, God is not dependent on men, God replaces A, with B, and moves on, as John the Baptist said, and it is no lie, God can raise children of Abraham from stones, LOL. So God needed not the Pharisees, he picked some from among them, like Nicodemus, but he rejected eventually, the whole house, but he did provide a way out for those with faith, Jesus became the access entry point – the new temple cornerstone. So I do have faith Jehovah will fulfill what he began to finish in this final phase through Jehovah’s witnesses and through the class of the FDS as far as God’s purpose defines, which is perfect, inspite of human imperfection, when we are weak, he is strong, and that is the way Jehovah does things, the weak thing of God is still stronger than men, the foolish thing of God still wiser than man, and he will use imperfect men, as usual, to do it, regardless of what arises, and also for salvation he has clearly identified his special forces ministry for those who want to get hold on the next, before it arrives, because after this last period, true perfection will be calling the shots – infallible Kingdom power over EVERYTHING. God is then, yes, working with sinners still (Rev7:17), but he is NOT allowing sinners to guide themselves through imperfect organizations or groups at this time, the FULL guiding power of the “iron rod” by Jesus Christ and the 144000 will become completely, directly activated in super-power, all the intermediate sinners, demon and man, will have been surgically neutralized and put out of the way.
We must see that “incorruptible” is the quality of this Kingdom – it CANNOT go bad ot error. Even righteous angels would be superior to imperfect human rulership, yet not to them is this delivered, but to a truly perfect, impossible to error, sin or fail, and completely infallible power is what is coming God’s Kingdom, people have really asked for it, believe it or not, we are such good critics, LOL, but this one group of 144,001 with Jehovah, Jesus being the 1, cannot be faulted, no matter what, as true true truth as Jehovah himself be (forever past and present and future), is Jesus himself true infallible as well, these (144000) have entered at that time, his (Jesus) perfected perfection spirit being, a tested purity these can take only so far, the rest Jesus provided them power to receive in his immortal and incorruptible Master Pattern which Jehovah gives them as Creator of “new creation” just as Jah did to Jesus himself, these will be all his brothers, in every respect.
So, this perfection must arrive. True, people will still be transitioning, but the fast-track is that the overall guide then, is NOT more trial and error, the true guide will be in power, with eternal wisdom, yet one day at a time.
And that “truth”, must still be provided in Pharisee form “truth”, the false-christs from the Devil, and in actual truth, the place to find the accurate knowledge and resources to perform the complete dedication and vow to Jehovah through Jesus Christ and he does have actual brothers, just as Satan has actual children, so does Jehovah. Because without accurate faith in a reality, what are people vowing to, or what are they truly trusting in? So nice God provided a bible to build perceptive powers, and special operations coaches in Jehovah’s witnesses in some to aid this development to recognize truth from error, by bible insight. And the enormity of the publications, that is not an accident, God knows people need help ascertaining the true Christ from the many Jesus even warned us will be in large numbers,” many will say”. But in his day, his group was the one with the true faith which has been redefined as Malachi 3 said it would be, as Jesus even initially fulfilled that scripture he also refined the disciples. Now the finale is underway, and Malachi 4 to complete, a final inspection so to speak.
Talk to you soon.
Thank You.
