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> 1st quote
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> Watchtower teaches that Christ BEGAN his kingly rule AFTER his enemies were
> made a stool for his feet in 1914.
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> 1)But the Bible says Christ must rule as King UNTIL his enemies haven been
> placed under his feet(including last enemy Death) and then his kingly reign
> will END.(1 Corinthians 15:25-28,1Peter 3:22,Psalms 110:1,2 Acts 2:34-35)
> If JWs are correct,Jesus sat from 33 to 1914 waiting for his enemies to be made
> a stool for his feet and then in 1914 he had to turn the kingdom back over to
> his Father because it all ends for him when the enemies are placed under his
> feet.Then,there would be never a time for Christ to rule!
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> 2)Then Watchtower disregards the fact that Jesus’ last enemy Death is still
> active which is proof that his enemies could not haven been places as a stool
> for his feet in 1914.
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> 3)Last they also ignore that the sitting at the right hand of GOD and the
> ruling as King is for the SAME period.(Psalms 110:1,2 1 Corinthians 15:25-28)
> The Bible states that Jesus was made King upon his resurrection and ascension
> to heaven where he sat down at the right hand of GOD and rules(even to this
> day) UNTIL his enemies are made a stool for his feet(Matthew 28:18,1
> Corinthians 15:25-28,1Peter 3:22,Psalms 110:1,2 Acts 2:34-35)
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> End of 1st quote
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thank you. Hope all is well. Your welcome:
Be patient with me, I’m going to send you all the stuff I developed to also convince myself, as I have always been a big skeptic of everything, but this is one I am assured in my own analysis that it is very true, so please be patient.
As far as negative comments, remember in your work that many are called, FEW are chosen. So you will have to go through the 99 mockers, to find just 1 who will consider it, and you are here for the 1, not so much the 99.
Never give to much credence to the mockers, some may stop doubting, in any event, they have no power to stop what is coming, it is very powerful and must occur.
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1. Now I say the Oct 1, 2011 Watchtower has a good article on 1914, for the secular doubts raised about the dating.
2. As I respond with information for you, I will also post it in my 1914 section of a blog, as I had a rather extended method and an one for ascertaining 1914 in 3 ways, from Jesus Christening in 29, 607 to 1914, AND from Cyrus christening in 537 BC. So it covers the typical view, but shows both “christs” Jesus and Cyrus, in their specific roles in God’s purpose, are ALSO reliable to ascertain the year 1914, 607, and 537, for cross checks.
Be patient please, more is coming.
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Now as far as Jesus enemies being placed. We know that is in phases, death itself is the last enemy, and that being AFTER the 1000 years or so, some enemies take longer than others.
The first event of Jesus enemies conquered was in heaven, when he cast Satan:
Yet Satan came to earth. So that conquest is relative, to be completed in full, also after the 1000 years.
What do we see? This is a complex conquest, it like any war, has phases.
I am sending my Rev12 explanation to show you some concepts of phases, and how Jesus Kingdom, is marked on earth, by Satanic woe to the earth, so that although Jesus conquered in heaven and founded Kingdom by God’s authority, Satan concurrently came to earth DIRECTLY AFTER, and while that event took place and Jesus rules, for his “short period”.
Jesus rules in heaven, according to Rev12, while Satan’s “short time” expires. That “short time” is ALSO “last days”.
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I want to show realistically, that Jesus conquest, the placing of his enemies under his feet, is a phased event, starting in heaven, proceeding to earth, and as we know also from scripture, the “last enemy” is done away with. (So, there is also more than one enemy in time)
The ‘presence’, but not the full “conquest”.
Cont…
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Jesus conquest, the placing of his enemies under his feet, is a phased event, starting in heaven, proceeding to earth, and as we know also from scripture, the “last enemy” is done away with. (So, there is also more than one enemy in time)
The ‘presence’, but not the full “conquest”.
God purposes the “ruling in the midst” of Jesus enemies phase; Ps110.
Rev 12 shows this as well:
(Revelation 12:10) “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down.
So when that “kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ” actually was founded, Satan’s ouster was it’s first act of authority in heaven, it is heavenly first, ruling while “woe to the earth, for the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time” is ALSO in progress.
So that “woe to the earth” phase, means that “short period of time” will be exercised by Satan over earth, AFTER AND WHILE Jesus has received heavenly Kingdom.
Rev12 shows that although Satan was cast for that “short time”, God’s Kingdom was very much defined in heaven first, because that act of casting Satan, was part of “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, BECAUSE the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down”.
The “because” the accuser has been hurled is significant, Satan well knew his time was short, and this was the “great sign was seen in heaven” that affirmed it beyond denial, that Satan’s “short period” was fully in motion CONCURRENT with Jesus Kingdom in heavenly power, and that corresponds to Jesus “last days” description of a “woe to the earth” period which must culminate in “great tribulation”.
So it is then shown:
(Psalm 110:2) Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.
Is a “subduing” in this regard:
(1 John 5:4) And this is the conquest that has conquered the world, our faith.
It is related to the preaching work, and people building faith by that witness, and their own study of the bible and prophecy to see all these things are progressing quickly, in these “last days”.
We all then believe God’s word is highly detailed, and when it opens, even minute wordings, have great meaning, as this also shows this phasing of Kingdom power:
(Revelation 6:2)Look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.
Notice that?
There are three events in that conquest phase:
[1]a crown was given him, AND [2] he went forth conquering AND [3] to complete his conquest.
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So to tie that back to Rev12, the crown was given, that is followed by “he went forth conquering”. But that “conquering” is just as Jesus sated:
(John 16:33) I have conquered the world.
Jesus died, By faith, it shows he has “conquered”.
Now others are building conquering faith, subdued to Jesus “completing” conquest and rule, though “heavenly” it is in a conquering phase of faith, BUT…
Then Jesus very soon must “complete his conquest.”
Jesus must officially complete the entirety of this stated conquering to the full, as he stated he conquered the world, he was conquering by faith, and this post “crowned” phase must also provide a “went forth conquering”, and then: “to complete his conquest” to finality.
So it is a final “coming”, because at that completion, NOTHING will stand between Jesus and his Kingdom’s territory earth as far as competing sovereigns of demon or human kingdom.
That “woe to the earth phase” then must progress as well to GT, and that is why Jesus says in Luke 21:28, as these things start to occur, to understand that the “deliverance” will be necessary soon (2Thes1:6).
The deliverance is through the GT, and to the “cutting short” of the days of that GT, the end event, Armageddon.
Conquest completed.
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Final Conquest Note – Rev 12 – Part 3 (Where it is leading, and other details)
(Revelation 6:2)…Look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest.
This is very very significant as well, Jesus is said to have a sword, BUT in this “ride” of the white horse, he also has a “bow”.
The bow and it’s arrow, are LONG RANGE weapons of offensive attack, so it is fitting that this ride has multiple long range (from heaven)targets, but the nature is long range during this ride, which will culminate in the final conquest, which is said to be “the sword of his mouth”, direct conquest, face to face.
So though Rev12 makes it clear that BOTH Jesus and Satan go into final actions at that SAME time period, Jesus is ruling heaven, the earthly domain has Jesus long range ministry “subduing” in the midst of Satanic earthly authority only, Satan is ruling earth, while Jesus is in heaven crowned for that ride of the white horse.
Then the two will eventually meet, for:
(Revelation 16:13-16). . .And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.”
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Magedon.
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This shows Satan’s “woe to the earth” phase involves “gathering” the nations, by “teachings of demons”; “demon inspired utterances”.
It also shows in verse 15, that Jesus will drop in unexpectedly in this event, Armageddon.
Thats why Jesus shuffled in that verse 15 warning, right in the middle of this statement of the demon “gathering” process of the nations to Armageddon, knowing that we would be reading this at this very sequence.
He warns that like a thief, he will be arriving while they are gathering in full to Armageddon, a earthly military mountain (global situation).
Since Har means Hebrew “mountain” and Magedon is a “military assembly”, or “troops assembled”, or “fortress guard” type ‘Megiddo’ reference, we see earth is NOW fully militarized for domination (many do not perceive this recent development in world military affairs):
UN-NATO Wildbeast Just Grew 10 Horns – Babylon the Great Horning Near? Rev 17:16
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TIV51AUTEC8RCPQ5P
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So no doubt, since just 2000, this is on a demon “woe to the earth” fast track, Satan surely knows “he has a short period of time”.
Satan also has no idea when Jesus will chain him up, and abyss him.
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To see even the American surfacing of the “roaring of the sea” of people, has just begun with the “Occupy Wall Street” events, which are spreading in-spite of American media mental insulation.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TM68FBS8256VEQBQJ
Economic pressure will only make this grow worldwide as people continue to see the banks are the big global vampires, and their own governments have allowed it and especially aided the gears to deregulate it.
Then we can put 2 and 2 together with the super expenses that Global NATO, and US military expansion has cost.
Where did much of the money, funding and capital come from? Why the multi-trillion dollar global bank heist of the nations of course!
Few ever make that connection, but it is obvious they are positioning with some super funding source a global war machine. WHY invest so much in that?
To get the big return on investment: The world.
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> Another one claims Jesus was king even before 33 a.c.e!
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> 2nd quote
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> JESUS DOES NOT REBUKE NATHANAEL FOR SAYING: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God.
> You ARE the King of Israel.”
> (/John 1:49)
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> JESUS CONFIRMS PILATE? STATEMENT: “Pilate therefore said unto him, ART YOU A
> KING THEN? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king.TO THIS END I WAS BORN
> and for this cause came I into the world”…..(JOHN 18:37)
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> JESUS CONFIRMS TO HAVE ALREADY A KINGDOM:
> Jesus said, “My kingdom IS not part of this world….
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> (John 18:36)
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> JESUS WAS ALREADY A KING -BEFORE 1914!
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> End of 2nd quote
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> Thanks
Remember that these kinds of people are looking for a typical, topical read, a linear connect the dots approach. But we know we all tried that, but as we read the bible more, something else pops out that seems to contradict the linear approach.
Jesus Kingship, is no simple matter.
But the concept is, God teaches us to have a flexibility in our thinking, to be guidable into the reality of how Jesus came here, why, and the events he did here would have even greater fulfillment when he left, over time, even 1000 years.
The King rode into Jerusalem, accepted by the people, rejected by the older men, and temple apostate system.
So, Jesus was referred to “king” as even before he was named Jesus Christ (many times):
(Micah 5:2) …And you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.
That is even before he came to earth:
(Genesis 49:10) …The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commanders staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong.
Even before he was conceived:
(Luke 1:32-33) …This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.
Even as a newborn:
(Luke 2:10-11) 10But the angel said to them: Have no fear, for, look! I am declaring to YOU good news of a great joy that all the people will have, 11because there was born to YOU today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord, in Davids city.
Even as a toddler:
(Matthew 2:1-2) …After Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from eastern parts came to Jerusalem, 2saying: Where is the one born king of the Jews? …
(Matthew 2:11) …And when they went into the house they saw the young child with Mary its mother, and, falling down, they did obeisance to it. They also opened their treasures and presented it with gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
On other occasions of course, then the prophetic fulfillment, the triumphal entry:
(Matthew 21:4-5) 4This actually took place that there might be fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet, saying: 5TELL the daughter of Zion, Look! Your King is coming to you, mild-tempered, and mounted upon an ass, yes, upon a colt, the offspring of a beast of burden.
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(John 12:27-32) …Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? Father, save me out of this hour. Nevertheless, this is why I have come to this hour. 28Father, glorify your name. Therefore a voice came out of heaven: I both glorified it and will glorify it again. 29Hence the crowd that stood about and heard it began to say that it had thundered. Others began to say: An angel has spoken to him. 30In answer Jesus said: This voice has occurred, not for my sake, but for YOUR sakes.
31Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
32And yet I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw men of all sorts to me.
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The point being, Jesus was considered King designate, EVEN while Satan remains ruler of this world. So we see just as the voice in heaven spoke again concerning Jesus glory in regard to Jehovah’s name, and just as Jesus entered the temple for the first time as King designate after fulfilling that particular prophecy, he states, “NOW the ruler of this world will be cast out”.
Yet, we know in fact Jesus was “cast out”.
So this indicates we are in a process, it will take time to remove Satan fully; Heb2:14. We see the pre-Jesus prophecies, his infant prophecies, his lifetime prophecies, his own statements, and NOW we see his heavenly fulfillment phase, which MUST lead to the full earthly conquest, as Rev12 has set that “short time” period in motion, with a dual event, Jesus received “authority” and “kingdom”, thus the “crown”, AND Satan is cast to earth to BEGIN his “short time” period, and “woe to the earth” which must COINCIDE with Jesus heavenly Rev12 “authority” in heaven, “in the midst” of Satan ruling earth, as it leads to his being “cast out” as ruler to abyss as conquered again, but that is leading to a true, 1000 year, epic finality.
So Jesus meaning as king, has a greater fulfillment, he will rule in the midst of his enemies until all of them, over time, in various events, leading even to the full lake of fire conquest over death, Hades and Satan and the demons and all sinners, so it will take time.
Satan has thus far been cast from heaven. That is a relative conquest. He will be “cast out of earth” into abyss. So that is also relative, but then heaven AND earth will be under God’s completing will.
Then Satan and death must be FULLY exterminated, what Paul called “the end”. He will have brought to nothing, ALL government, ALL authority, ALL power, and the last enemy death as well, with Satan, Heb2:14.
So his kingship in Rev12, like his conquest, has marked events, in logical phases.
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But now we see God has opened this up NOT to the world, but to his servants. From this evidence Jehovah draws more to him, because the deeper we look at the “connect the dots” analysis of the churches, the more problems we find. The more we look into the reality of prophecy, like wise, the more details we find in truth.
This of course is also a reinforcing factor of 1914. What greater “woe to the earth” can man have, than world war?
And was it just coincidentally, that that “short time” period just so happened to be marked by global war in 1914?
Is it just coincidental that Satan also began founding the finality of the wildbeast system, directly after Rev12, in Rev13:11-14, concurrent with God’s Kingdom as it’s main challenger in 1914 as well?
Is it just a coincidence that 1914 also marks the “war” gathering of the nations by demon utterance, wildbeast, false-prophet and dragon as shown in Rev16:13-16, which the lamb exterminates in whole at Armageddon?
No, this is not coincidence. This is the greatest showdown, in all universal history, for dominion of planet earth, with a climax through great tribulation, where by heaven’s Kingdom of God will take on Satan’s Kingdoms of Adamic man, the wildbeast system, to a full War of the Great Day of God the Almighty.
It’s huge! And all the pieces are falling into place. It is a full, phased conquest, that must actually even extend 1000 years, with various day by day, year by year, marked events which we know beforehand by God’s power as the Ultimate Prophet of Eternity, so as Jesus is the greatest Prophet as a man, his heaven;y Revelation also seals Jehovah and his superiority of knowledge, wisdom, power, mercy, and love.
God will not leave us hanging, he shows ALL the details, in spite of human error, God’s truth shines through, even with preview of the 1000 year Kingdom, and ALL the major events en-route to:
(1 Corinthians 15:28) …Son himself will also subject himself…that God may be all things to everyone.
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> In this video there is representation of arguments against 1914 as the date for
> Jesus receiving the crown.
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> I carry their words. I need some help, too much confusion!
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> Thank you!
Hope this helps because I developed it to prove it to myself, and finally recorded the process for others. Since 607, 537, and 29CE are well known dates, albeit disagreed upon, they are still dates in history accepted by some historians.
The reason I say this, is because at some point those dates must pass the actual patterns in God’s more than reliable timelines in prophecy. They also must affirm the events which would surround these dates.
My 1914 section attempts to establish that from a world history point of view as a truly signal year for many reasons.
This one relies on God’s own timeframes to plug secular time dates into, as a way of testing 607, 537, 29, and 1914 in a number of cross testing ways, relying on God’s patterns and ties as the overriding reliable benchmark.
I found 537 and 29 pretty established in secular history. Yes there are of course doubters, but in my hypothesis both Cyrus and Christ are noteworthy benchmarks, and anointed for various purposes, so I see them as also important dates to establish a cross checking timeline to establish eachother, and 1914′s end of the gentile times.
1914 – Three Cross References for 1914 – Determining 1914 CE, 607 BCE from Jesus Christ Baptismal Christening, 29 CE.
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/1914-2/1914-three-cross-references-for-1914-determining-1914-ce-607-bce-from-jesus-christ-baptismal-christening-29-ce/
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The 1914 section also covers secular facts that many in the world are unaware of regarding the banking, government and military agreements the UK and US entered in the times prior to WW1. The Federal Reserve was set up as a war racketeering fund basically in Dec 23rd, 1913, basically 1914.
Really, from there, the foundation for global war, and global profiteering from that was set – a VERY big global signal, though well hidden then, today it is known with much documentation. That makes 1914 highly significant for the “woe to the earth” phase of Rev 12, which must run concurrent with the Heavenly “be glad you heavens” phase of the Kingdoms founding then.
So here was the “debt flow” history of 1914 to 1921, it is enormous:
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/1914-2/1914-world-war-start-up-funding-for-global-domination/
Here is 3 easily seen repeating depression to war profiteering cycles since 1914, playing out for the last time as we speak:
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/1914-2/1914-3-war-and-bank-repeating-patterns/
This tries to concisely explain the relationship between the above bant+war engine, with it’s 1914 founded “partnership” with the governments of US and UK – a bad combination to put it lightly:
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/1914-2/1914-ww-perpetual-trajectories/
How Revelation 11-13, opened up after it began fulfilling in 1914:
1914: When Revelation 13 Opened Up Globally
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/1914-2/1914-when-revelation-13-opened-up-globally/
And how Rev 12 shows a terrible period on earth must run concurrent with the heavenly phase of Jesus crowning event, “casting Satan down”:
Jesus Crowning: Peace? No,“Woe to the Earth”: The Revelation 12 Phasing of God’s Kingdom.
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/
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If you have questions let me know. Also realize our understanding of this is reinforced with all we have seen on this planet develop since this 1914 war+bank+government partnership, and the Federal Reserve today is still partner in many many criminal activities leading to the UN bomb coffers.
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On October 03, 11, Christaras wrote:
> Thank you for the labor and effort. I just noticed you have sent more than one
> mail.I copied pasted them and will read them,very interesting.
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Yes I sent 6 and will resend them. I’ll put a number 1 thru 6 just in case Topix did not send them.
Funny that you say “last days of the last days” because I often refer to this time as that. There is also the term in Revelation, the “Lord’s Day” which further defined the specific “woe to the earth” period.
We also as humans have tried now every form of government possible except one. We have every hybrid and amalgam as well. While the world worked, the middle finance, military and governmental layer has been ripping the masses off in a controlled fashion for the last return on investment. They know this last hurrah can basically start from scratch, because they would obviously be planning a mass depopulation, which of course negates the needs we see them wrestling with. That is the recapitalization process of war, the herd can be thinned on a global scale, and the management system can retain the highest forms of technology to begin fresh so to speak. Of course these are well laid plans of mice and men, LOL.
So this natural evolution in the Adamic system must deliver in “birth”, the only form of government man has not tried so far, a global “unified” form.
Dangerously though, it occurred in embryonic state in Gen6, and at Babel’s first foundation. As we know those days of unification under Satan’s direct authority, ended in divine intervention, and today, the only thing that held it back was Jesus “breaking up the works of the Devil” and the fact that as Jesus stated in this period “I come not to bring peace, but division”.
Ironically, division has actually saved mankind, by delaying the process we are now entering in full, unification under a Satanic direct global authority, minus the divisions as mush as the demons can “gather” Rev16:13-16.
So yes when you talk about Babel, this governmental secret order from Eph6:12, and the Dragon’s “7 heads” interfacing with the wildbeast’s “7 heads”, can even be found on the back of a USDollar 1 dollar bill, in symbolic form, the Tower of Babel. Of course the “angel of light”‘s eye appears at the top of that unification symbol.
So this will be the last in the famous Adamic series of self rulership, the global unification and full gathering of man and demon opposed to the rightful new heavens rulership. This is also noted on Joel 3:9 with Jehoshaphat.
